National Snow and Ice Data Center page

Started by aristaeus63, 09/19/2008 08:58PM
Posted 09/19/2008 08:58PM Opening Post
This is an interesting web site. You can look at the ice pack in both the arctic and the antarctic since 1979. While there has been some melting in the arctic, which the media tells you about over and over again, they don't seem to say what's happening in the antarctic. Look for your self. The data from the antarctic is probably what caused the term global warming to migrate to climate change.

Andeas

http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist.pl?annot=1&legend=1&scale=100&tab_cols=2&tab_rows=2&config=seaice_index&submit=Refresh&mo0=07&hemis0=S&img0=extn&mo1=07&hemis1=S&img1=conc&year0=2008&year1=1980&.cgifields=no_panel

DSOs observed:
NGCs 2005, ICs 103, Other 70, Palomar GCs 6, Abell PNs 12, Herschel 400: 316.
Equipment
Celestron CPC 1100, Lunt 60mm Ha Solar Scope
Posted 09/20/2008 01:13AM #1
Andreas Saldivar said:

This is an interesting web site. You can look at the ice pack in both the arctic and the antarctic since 1979. While there has been some melting in the arctic, which the media tells you about over and over again, they don't seem to say what's happening in the antarctic. Look for your self. The data from the antarctic is probably what caused the term global warming to migrate to climate change.

Andeas

http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist.pl?annot=1&legend=1&scale=100&tab_cols=2&tab_rows=2&config=seaice_index&submit=Refresh&mo0=07&hemis0=S&img0=extn&mo1=07&hemis1=S&img1=conc&year0=2008&year1=1980&.cgifields=no_panel



I guess if you relied on the media then this would come as a surprise. For scientists, however, it is exactly as climate models predicted more than twenty years ago:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/02/antarctica-is-cold/
Posted 09/20/2008 05:31PM #2
Andreas wrote:

"The data from the antarctic is probably what caused the term global warming to migrate to climate change."

No actually the term global change came from Frank Lutz a republican political consultant, who in 2002 in a memo to the republican party suggested that
"There is still a window of opportunity to challenge the science." He recommended that his Republican Party clients do just that. He urged them to marshal their own "scientists" to contest the issue on every occasion. He urged them to plead for "sound science" a twist of language of the sort that George Orwell once said was "designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidarity to pure wind."

Outside of those who are do everything possible to sow Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) global warming is a fact. Even strident deniers like Lizden (whose receives $2500 a day from the oil/gas industry), Spencer and Christy all now admit that the earth is warming at an alarming rate. FUD is the only thing the denier community has left. There are far to many different observations to deny.

By the way have you ever heard the term "cherry picking"