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Started by richartisticwoods, 03/26/2020 02:38PM
Posted 03/26/2020 06:05PM #10
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Check your facts.  I didn't say you "made a wage"  I said you get PAID.

Don't obfuscate.  You get remuneration for your work.

Do you own stock in the company?  IF you are a company with stock options, you are one who has the most shares.  
LOL, let me help you. You wrote:

"You're a business. You pay yourself a wage.  Your COMPANY may not make a PROFIT but you get paid."
Posted 03/26/2020 06:12PM | Edited 03/26/2020 06:19PM #11
Originally Posted by Richard Davis
 The leftist media in the United States is doing everything they can to oust Trump.  
I agree, and I also thing the right-wing media is doing everything they can to prop up Trump.  This is business as usual in the USA today.

A)  I understand you to think that the primary reason for the shut down in the US is social hysteria fueled by the anti-Trump press.  Thus, you think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is NOT WORTH THE COST.   Is that a fair summary?  

B)  I think that the primary reason for the shut down is legitimate medical concern.  I think that flattening the curve is doable and necessary as a civic response to a medical crisis that could be much worse. Thus, I think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is WORTH THE COST

I think arguing further about whether position (A) or (B) is correct is pointless.  I did want to make sure that I was not misunderstanding your position.  Hopefully you understand mine.

Jim
Posted 03/26/2020 06:18PM | Edited 03/26/2020 06:38PM #12
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Check your facts.  I didn't say you "made a wage"  I said you get PAID.

Don't obfuscate.  You get remuneration for your work.

Do you own stock in the company?  IF you are a company with stock options, you are one who has the most shares.  

Let's just put it this way.  

How many MILLIONS have you Put into your bank account in the last 10 years?  
Sigh.  
Posted 03/26/2020 06:28PM | Edited 03/26/2020 06:41PM #13
Originally Posted by James Brown

Sigh.  LLCs and partnerships don't issue stock and we don't have options.  Fundamentally, our business  and taxation model is as simple as a couple of kids who partner up to sell lemonade.  We pay our costs and expenses and split up the rest.  In good times there is something nice to split up.  In bad time there is no guarantee. 

Jim

That's the same thing I do.  I get PAID, PERIOD.  I wouldn't be in business long if I never made any money and just got paid my expenses.

I'm a sole proprietor and you said that your billing was $450 per hour.  I understand you have expenses.  

Your company takes in $450 per hour/ PER LAWYER who bills.  You're wanting to play semantic word games here with "gee, I don't get a salary PER SE".  NO SHIT.

I understand that.  

Tell me this.  DO YOU BILL $450 PER HOUR OVERALL?  In other words when EVERYONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES WORKS do you Only bill $450 per hour for the day?  

Answer is NO.  

EACH LAWYER who is ON THE CLOCK, BILLS customers $450 per hour, or some portion of that rate. 

In other words, your entire company does not bill $450 per hour X an 8 hour day

IS that factual?   

It bills MUCH More is that correct?  

Please answer that single question, because the resident Troll Brian McFarland is confused.  

And btw I don't begrude that you make LOTS Of money and you've made LOTS Of money over the decades.  

I find it disturbing that you would think that it is acceptable that little guys, guys unlike you and even myself, would get hurt and its OK, because that's just the cost of hysterical overreacting in this country being PUSHED by the media.

There are people out there who aren't that brainy, certainly that don't have the skill level and the brainpower you have. 

They can't just say I'll get another $12 per hour job.  They will never have much, unfortunately for them.  

They haven't the skill set and they may be middle aged 35-45 with limited skills.  They might be cooks in a restaurant and now that restaurant isn't coming back.

For them, this massive destruction of the economy means they may not have that job.

This situation created by the hysterics is creating spectacular damage to businesses that employ these people.

There are dry cleaners who have nothing coming in.

There are massage therapists who have nothing coming in.

There are retail workers in small shops who have nothing coming in.

The gov't can promise the world.  They can't deliver.   Unemployment will take at least 2 weeks if not 4 weeks to start doling out checks.

This is UNNECESSARY.  The death toll is unfortunately OVERBLOWN.  It is NOT 1/%.  It is FAR less.  

When all is said and done I predict the 'experts' will look back and say "we ran the numbers and this wasn't nearly as bad as we predicted".

This will come down next year some time.  When the country has taken this massive hit will you then say "yes it was still worth it"?
Posted 03/26/2020 06:35PM #14
Originally Posted by Richard Davis


That's the same thing I do.  I get PAID, PERIOD.  I wouldn't be in business long if I never made any money and just got paid my expenses.

I'm a sole proprietor and you said that your billing was $450 per hour.  I understand you have expenses.  

Your company takes in $450 per hour/ PER LAWYER who bills.  You're wanting to play semantic word games here with "gee, I don't get a salary PER SE".  NO SHIT.

I understand that.  

Tell me this.  DO YOU BILL $450 PER HOUR OVERALL?  In other words when EVERYONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES WORKS do you Only bill $450 per hour for the day?  

Answer is NO.  

EACH LAWYER who is ON THE CLOCK, BILLS customers $450 per hour, or some portion of that rate. 

In other words, your entire company does not bill $450 per hour X an 8 hour day

IS that factual?   

It bills MUCH More is that correct?  
I have  made plenty over my career Richard.   I definitely regret getting side tracked into a personal discussion with you.  I avoided that yesterday when you were asking about my wife.  Dumb on my part.
Jim
Posted 03/26/2020 06:40PM #15
Originally Posted by James Brown

I agree, and I also thing the right-wing media is doing everything they can to prop up Trump.  This is business as usual in the USA today.

A)  I understand you to think that the primary reason for the shut down in the US is social hysteria fueled by the anti-Trump press.  Thus, you think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is NOT WORTH THE COST.   Is that a fair summary?  

B)  I think that the primary reason for the shut down is legitimate medical concern.  I think that flattening the curve is doable and necessary as a civic response to a medical crisis that could be much worse. Thus, I think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is WORTH THE COST

I think arguing further about whether position (A) or (B) is correct is pointless.  I did want to make sure that I was not misunderstanding your position.  Hopefully you understand mine.

Jim
Richard:

A)  I understand you to think that the primary reason for the shut down in the US is social hysteria fueled by the anti-Trump press.  Thus, you think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is NOT WORTH THE COST.  Is that a fair summary? 

B)  I think that the primary reason for the shut down is legitimate medical concern.  I think that flattening the curve is doable and necessary as a civic response to a medical crisis that could be much worse. Thus, I think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is WORTH THE COST

I think arguing further about whether position (A) or (B) is correct is pointless.  I did want to make sure that I was not misunderstanding your position.  Hopefully you understand mine.

Jim
Posted 03/26/2020 06:45PM #16
Originally Posted by James Brown

Richard:

A)  I understand you to think that the primary reason for the shut down in the US is social hysteria fueled by the anti-Trump press.  Thus, you think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is NOT WORTH THE COST.  Is that a fair summary? 

B)  I think that the primary reason for the shut down is legitimate medical concern.  I think that flattening the curve is doable and necessary as a civic response to a medical crisis that could be much worse. Thus, I think the economic hardship caused by the shut down is WORTH THE COST

I think arguing further about whether position (A) or (B) is correct is pointless.  I did want to make sure that I was not misunderstanding your position.  Hopefully you understand mine.

Jim

A: YES

B: I don't because I believe the numbers of death percentage compared to numbers infected is Extremely HYPED.  


Lastly, I agree further arguing is futile because neither of us know.  We cannot know.  We'll find out, and either you or I will be wrong.  

I think the death toll in the US for the YEAR due to Coronavirus will rival the Yearly flu.  

I understand your position.  
Posted 04/01/2020 04:19AM #17
I don't know about everywhere else, but here in Indiana employers are screaming for people to fill both permanent and temporary job positions right now.  Mostly in the areas of service support for those delivery and store front pickups being used in mass right now to abide by the social distancing requests.  Over 60,000 + available jobs for immediate hire.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=&l=Indiana


The local news media has been putting out notices of places hiring as well, mainly again in the same areas.