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Bush 41 - one of the greatest Presidents in our lifetime

Started by RussCarroll, 12/03/2018 09:38PM
Posted 12/06/2018 09:23PM | Edited 12/06/2018 09:30PM #40
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

So I'll ask again.  Was Abe Lincoln qualified Patrick?  

These types of discussions are stupid IMO.

Technically, you are correct, the only Constitutionally mandated "qualifications" are age and citizenship.  Of course, when I say Trump was unqualified to be president, or, I presume, when most anyone else says DJT was not qualified to be president, it is because he had no political or public service experience. 

Of course, his general lack of qualification for the job got him elected.   Just enough voters were itching for a populist outsider who could kick those snobby inside-the-beltway SOBs in the groin.  This is what the people wanted and this is exactly what we got.  I can really sympathize too.  You try to live a decent life and then next thing you know insider snobs and criminals are labeling you an irredeemable deplorable, who is ex post facto a racist too.  It is enough to make even the most even-keeled middle-american want to lash out at the bastards in the government and the press.

Abe was plenty qualified by any definition.  We was a self-trained lawyer, a brilliant orator, profound thinker and he had 30 years of public service in Illinois and Washington:

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/education/polbrief.htm.bak

Jim
Posted 12/06/2018 10:22PM #41
To your second paragraph, this (almost) even-keeled American says, damn straight!

My friends (and some reporters) also say Trump admits to criminally sexually assaulting dozens of women. 
"You mean the locker-room braggadocio with the Hollywood guy? The guy he was trying to one-up? 
You believe that stuff?" 
Now they are insisting he speaks the truth. 
Posted 12/06/2018 11:04PM | Edited 12/06/2018 11:05PM #42
Originally Posted by James Brown

Richard:

Does anything about Trump's demeanor, attitude, public statements, Twitter feed etc. bother you at all? 

Sometimes he reigns in his excessive rhetoric, and I am so relieved.  Much of the time though, as a man, a husband, an American, and a Republican, I find Trump's behavior extremely disturbing.   FWIW I would vote for him again, over HRC.  Nonetheless, I think that Trump is an embarrassment to the nation.  I would love to have the opportunity to vote against him.  So, I agree with the points that Russ and Patrick have tried to make.  At some level, I suspect that you agree with them too.

Jim
I do find a lot of the President's tweets, his attitude sometimes to be obnoxious, however Jim I temper that analysis with the fact that those others (not including you because you are much more proper, civil, and controlled) who continuously attack the man operate with impunity, when they exhibit the same childish, if not WORSE demeanor than Donald Trump ever has against another Human being.

I specifically point to the OP who acts as if he's some sort of pontificating Bible beating example of character and class when almost every time he gets on here to criticize Donald Trump, he acts himself with all the class and dignity of a 2 dollar whore w/crotchless panties, and then proceeds to criticize the current President for being a cad, an undignified boob, and a dictatorlike evil personification of the devil himself. 

I mean to say, seriously??!

His mainstay references to President Trump consist of names such as Hitler, racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, transgenderphobe, and any other vile adjective he can think of to describe this President and I'm sure that he then he goes to Church and prays to his God above thinking he's some sort of special person because he throws $100 more  into the collection plate than the guy sitting next to him?  

I can tell you this  much, if Russ Carroll is the typical example of what it means to be a Christian, then I don't want to be within 2000 miles of any Christian.

I believe that Russ Carroll is as big a fraud as he constantly tells the rest of the world that Donald Trump is.  

He can do whatever he wants and he can be as angry as he wants. I just find it absolutely hypocritical that he has the temerity and come on here regularly with his dripping sanctimony, and his judgmental nature, calling out ANY other human being as hateful and bigoted when he epitomizes those very characterizations of the person whom he is criticizing.  

I can't imagine that any Christians I know that carry the same hatred for ANY other human being that Russ Carroll carries in his heart for Donald Trump.

And the sorry thing is that if you ask him today what Donald Trump has ever done to deserve such vile namecalling, he couldn't name one thing.

The man really is a troubled individual.  

I certainly didn't like Barack Obama but I've never held any hatred for him the way the OP holds hatred for President Trump.  

I just hope Barack Obama would go away from the Political scene. 

I don't wish the guy dead.  Do you think that Russ Carroll doesn't wish death upon Donald Trump?

And the sad thing for him, is that all his hatred for the man doesn't amount to a hill of beans, it is NOT hurting Donald Trump in the least.

All the anger and hatred is only hurting Russ Carroll.  

Too bad he doesn't seem to understand that simple fact..  ermm
Posted 12/06/2018 11:19PM #43
Originally Posted by Mel Maki
To your second paragraph, this (almost) even-keeled American says, damn straight!

My friends (and some reporters) also say Trump admits to criminally sexually assaulting dozens of women. 
"You mean the locker-room braggadocio with the Hollywood guy? The guy he was trying to one-up? 
You believe that stuff?" 
Now they are insisting he speaks the truth. 
Mel, I cannot recall any Republican or Conservative candidate in any major election who has played the race card, the homophobe card, or the sexist card against any of their opponents because it is such a lowlife thing to do to another, but yet in virtually every single major election anymore, these are the tactics that liberal Democrats typically employ, to attack the character of and use smear tactics such as sliming their Republican opponents as bigots and rapists.

The Democrat Smear machine and most Democrat candidates have never found a gutter low enough that they are not willing to go beneath in order to win an election.  
Posted 12/07/2018 12:18AM | Edited 12/07/2018 12:37AM #44
Originally Posted by James Brown

Richard:

Does anything about Trump's demeanor, attitude, public statements, Twitter feed etc. bother you at all? 

Sometimes he reigns in his excessive rhetoric, and I am so relieved.  Much of the time though, as a man, a husband, an American, and a Republican, I find Trump's behavior extremely disturbing.   FWIW I would vote for him again, over HRC.  Nonetheless, I think that Trump is an embarrassment to the nation.  I would love to have the opportunity to vote against him.  So, I agree with the points that Russ and Patrick have tried to make.  At some level, I suspect that you agree with them too.

Jim
Jim,
 I don't find Donald Trump to be an embarrassment at all.  He is a human being, with Human emotions.  He is attacked incessantly and I would argue that he is attacked in the most despicable, vile manner that any President In US history has ever been attacked.  

You tell me which President in any decade, hell in any century of the founding of this country who has been routinely referred to in the most VILE descriptors that this man has had hurled at him?  

And he has endured these vile labels from none other than Press people.

Tell me something Jim, if you were going to work every single day of your life and during every hour of that life from the time you awoke until the time you went to bed, you were called Hitler, hater, evil, a rapist, a sexist, a homophobe, a bigot, a xenophobe, the devil, etc...,  how exactly would you respond?  

When Barack Obama was referred to by Joe Wilson as a liar, you would have thought that Joe Wilson called for his assassination.  The Calls for Joe Wilson to grovel at the feet of President Barack Obama, came from everyone in the press along with every Democrat from one end of this nation to the other.

Even Republicans joined in to bash Joe Wilson.

Today, Press people call President Donald Trump the most vile names from pedophile to Hitler himself and there isn't a peep out of anyone in the press to condemn their fellow press people and yet Maxine Waters herself has used her bully pulpit to denigrate this President in every way possible.

Can you even IMAGINE what would have come down, if some conservative politician in public office had referred to Barack Obama in the same vile fashion that Maxine Waters and Other Leftist Democrats have routinely referred to Donald Trump?  

There would have been an all out civil war in this country or the town in which the person who made the utterance lived, would have been burned to the ground by out of control leftists.  

That is an undeniable fact.

Where is anyone at all to defend Donald Trump being able to respond to these non-stop attacks?

I guess he is simply supposed to take it?

They attack his wife.  They attack her like they've never attacked any First Lady.  Where are those on your side of the political aisle to call them out for their vile attacks on her?

She wears a hat on a trip to S. Africa and they attack her as a supporter of Aparteid.

His son is attacked and some asshole says he should be put in a cage and sodimized by a pedophile.  Where have those been on your side of the political aisle who are happy to say he's an embarrassment, to call out these people who attack his entire family?  

These Democrats are the biggest hypocrites on Planet Earth. 

And Trump typically only strikes back when he's attacked. 

This week he has deferred to every wish that George H. W. Bush's family has asked of this President. 

He's not an embarrassment at all IMO.  He hits back hard, and I prefer that over just taking their garbage.  If we had a fair and objective press, Donald Trump wouldn't have to resort to defending himself, but he doesn't and we don't, and so we are stuck with hitting back.

He has to stick up for himself and his family.  God knows you guys won't.  You'll be right there though to pile on..

I guess That's just the way it is..
Posted 12/07/2018 02:08AM #45
"investors are also nervously watching a recession indicator in the bond market: the slope of the yield curve. The gap between the two-year and 10-year Treasury yield shrank this week to levels unseen since just before the Great Recession. An inversion -- where short-term rates are higher than long-term ones -- has been a reliable prognosticator of recessions in the past."
Another Republican, another recession...
Posted 12/07/2018 06:41AM #46
Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
"investors are also nervously watching a recession indicator in the bond market: the slope of the yield curve. The gap between the two-year and 10-year Treasury yield shrank this week to levels unseen since just before the Great Recession. An inversion -- where short-term rates are higher than long-term ones -- has been a reliable prognosticator of recessions in the past."
Another Republican, another recession...
Yes, just like Bill Clinton gave George Bush a recession to walk into and Jimmy Carter gave a huge recession  to Ronald Reagan.

CNN said so.

https://money.cnn.com/2002/08/07/news/economy/bush_cheney/

More liberal Democrats, more passed on recessions that the Republicans inherited.   

I guess I missed the memo which said we were in a recession

Are you privy to some sort of info that the rest of us aren't?

You do know the definition of a recession do you not?  

I won't bother to educate you, because trying to educate liberals on anything is like attempting to teach fish how to speak Spanish.
Posted 12/07/2018 06:43AM | Edited 12/07/2018 06:57AM #47
Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
"investors are also nervously watching a recession indicator in the bond market: the slope of the yield curve. The gap between the two-year and 10-year Treasury yield shrank this week to levels unseen since just before the Great Recession. An inversion -- where short-term rates are higher than long-term ones -- has been a reliable prognosticator of recessions in the past."
Another Republican, another recession...
If that occurs then maybe you can talk a bit, but 3.0% growth over the first 6 quarters of the Trump Presidency, in the midst of the Feds raising interest rates which hurts a growing economy, while during the Obama administration for 8 years, the Feds never raised interest rates, and Trump's economy has already achieved 2X the growth rate that Obama's economy produced in the last 6 quarters of his tenure, which shows just how pathetic the economy was for 8 years under the worst President in my lifetime, Barack Obama.

Perhaps a recession will happen, perhaps not, but the differences in economies between Trump and Obama is night and day.  Trump actually has achieved growth while Obama's was the worst recovery since WWII.  

Just the facts.  
Posted 12/07/2018 04:22PM #48
Originally Posted by James Brown

Technically, you are correct, the only Constitutionally mandated "qualifications" are age and citizenship.  Of course, when I say Trump was unqualified to be president, or, I presume, when most anyone else says DJT was not qualified to be president, it is because he had no political or public service experience. 

Of course, his general lack of qualification for the job got him elected.   Just enough voters were itching for a populist outsider who could kick those snobby inside-the-beltway SOBs in the groin.  This is what the people wanted and this is exactly what we got.  I can really sympathize too.  You try to live a decent life and then next thing you know insider snobs and criminals are labeling you an irredeemable deplorable, who is ex post facto a racist too.  It is enough to make even the most even-keeled middle-american want to lash out at the bastards in the government and the press.

Abe was plenty qualified by any definition.  We was a self-trained lawyer, a brilliant orator, profound thinker and he had 30 years of public service in Illinois and Washington:

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/education/polbrief.htm.bak

Jim


We are in a pretty sad state when people have to continually rationalize his behavior, defend him at all costs, and jump through hoops to support a man simply because they share some of the same political philosophy.  Lets hope we can do better next time.
Posted 12/07/2018 05:14PM | Edited 12/07/2018 05:16PM #49
Originally Posted by Patrick Keafer



We are in a pretty sad state when people have to continually rationalize his behavior, defend him at all costs, and jump through hoops to support a man simply because they share some of the same political philosophy.  Lets hope we can do better next time.
I guess when you have no answer Patrick, best to simply dodge.

I'm not rationalizing anything, I'm simply saying that those like yourself probably need to look back as well as in the mirror to see who is irrational.  Trump is a person who hits back and compared to your political philosophy of supporting liberals because you don't have the stones to stand up to them, I find very dangerous.

I'll put up with a guy who has moments of anger and outlash at the press which is so over the top biased at this point, and his fighting back with Democrats, over someone like you whose philosophies are to let liberals run rampant and destroy this nation with their political agenda

And let me just reiterate the fact that if you were present in the time of Abe Lincoln, you would be calling for his impeachment because Lincoln himself suspended more rights held by ordinary Americans than Donald Trump ever thought of doing.