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Margaret Sanger wasn't really a racist.

Started by richartisticwoods, 06/30/2020 05:21AM
Posted 06/30/2020 05:21AM Opening Post
Just ask a leftist poster here who stated this earlier in another thread:

"Sanger wasn't as much a racist as a proponent for women having access to contraception, which at the time was illegal in the US".

That statement above is almost shocking, however it just emphasizes the liberal ignorance about the origins of Planned Parenthood and the racist eugenicist who founded the organization.   

Margaret Sanger told Mike Wallace this in an interview in 1957:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1274076841918242817

click on it when it comes up to hear the audio.

This was one SICK friggin' woman.  

But hey, leftists in the BL Marxist movement are very fond of planned parenthood.  

It was founded on such great, virtuous, and moral principles.  

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Posted 06/30/2020 05:23AM | Edited 06/30/2020 05:23AM #1
Here are more quotations from Margaret Sanger:

I really don't want to confuse even more, the leftists who are so confused about PP, and who blindly support this sick organization.

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Posted 06/30/2020 05:26AM #2
More sickness from this pig of a human being who founded Planned Parenthood:

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Posted 06/30/2020 05:30AM | Edited 06/30/2020 05:36AM #3
Margaret Sanger:  Colored People are like human weeds and are to be exterminated.

I really wouldn't confuse the resident expert here who says he knows all about Margaret Sanger:

J. Lacey:  "She really wasn't as much a racist....."  

NO, not at all.  

She was just misunderstood.  sad

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Posted 06/30/2020 05:40AM #4
And since the left is SO proud of Planned Parenthood, they can choke on this:

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Posted 06/30/2020 02:44PM | Edited 06/30/2020 02:49PM #5
In a parallel universe that didn't have a Margaret Sanger what are the odds that an organization that supported birth control, women's general reproductive health and abortion choice and so on would have come into existence anyway?  

In other words, the changing social mores of the early-mid 20th century would most certainly have engendered a "Planned Parenthood" organization with some other name.  It was inevitable.  

Sanger was a horrible person, no doubt. But there was no stopping the changes in women's reproductive rights.  

The quotes you have posted above have nothing to do with the modern PP (since the 1960's at least).


Dave
Posted 06/30/2020 03:21PM | Edited 06/30/2020 03:24PM #6
Originally Posted by David Cotterell
In a parallel universe that didn't have a Margaret Sanger what are the odds that an organization that supported birth control, women's general reproductive health and abortion choice and so on would have come into existence anyway?  

In other words, the changing social mores of the early-mid 20th century would most certainly have engendered a "Planned Parenthood" organization with some other name.  It was inevitable.  

Sanger was a horrible person, no doubt. But there was no stopping the changes in women's reproductive rights.  

The quotes you have posted above have nothing to do with the modern PP (since the 1960's at least).


Dave
You say the quotes I have posted above have nothing to do with the modern PP.

I consider that statement pretty naive.  

Monuments of the civil war Generals and abolitionists have nothing to do with BL Marxists false grievances, however you are FOR angry Mobs of leftist Anarchists tearing down Monuments of men who are dead, now aren't You?

Nice twist you gave there.

And I love the euphamisms you leftists always find to justify your immorality and your immoral acts.  

"Reproductive rights".  Let's call it what it is, extermination of human beings in the womb.   

You  support ALLOWING women to kill their unborn babies because it suits your political whims.  

You can play your semantic word games all day long.  

I'll bet though you support PETA, don't you?  

It would have been inevitable anyway
is the best you can come up with?  

You wrote this above:

"an organization that supported birth control and abortion choice and so on would have come into existence anyway"  

Oh Ok, so I guess if China didn't kill all of their political protesters, someone else would have come along and done it anyway, so that justifies it according to your weird, twisted leftist logic?  

We see planned parenthood, a despicable organization that is supported by unprincipled leftists, whose agenda of abortion, purposely causing the deaths of 55 Million babies in the womb.  

I suppose I can accuse you personally of supporting the killing of black babies by Planned parenthood, 20 Million of them over the last 40 years, because it would be inconvenient to allow those babies a chance at life.

Heck no, better to kill them, while they are in the womb.

Now then since you obviously support abortion, tell me, when does life begin? 

Is it when a baby's heartbeat starts, at 16 days into the pregnancy?  

Is it when it takes its first breath?  

Do you even care?  

Have you ever thought about it at all?  

You tell us, since you like this organization and defend it.  
Posted 06/30/2020 03:54PM | Edited 06/30/2020 04:01PM #7
Originally Posted by David Cotterell
Sanger was a horrible person, no doubt.

Dave,

Sanger was a complicated and imperfect person, just like all historical figures, but what Richard is posting is just sheer propaganda. For example, the quote about not wanting word to get out that they want to exterminate the negro population is cherry-picked and taken totally out of context. This quote is from a letter Sanger wrote to a black physician named Dr. Gamble about a program that provided southern black families with access to contraception. In the letter, she is advising Dr. Gamble on the importance of avoiding the mistaken notion that the program was racist and was encouraging him to hire black people to work in the program, and especially ministers would be helpful.

Here is the entire quote in question, and I think in context, the meaning is clear. Take special note of the underlined section that Richard ultimately left out (or at least the propaganda site he copies and pasted from left out). I'm quite sure that everything he has posted has similar egregious distortions and half-truths.

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the [Birth Control] Federation [of America] as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
Posted 06/30/2020 04:00PM #8
I posted my views on this issue a while ago but you have forgotten.

I am personally against abortion.  If I knew a woman who was considering abortion I would discuss with her the possibility of adoption.  That's because I am an adoptee. If abortion were legal in 1951 in Winnipeg I might not exist now...  Adoption is a very noble and necessary part of life.  

But I am pro-choice.  It is solely the pregnant woman's choice.  I am not in favour of the state 'banning' access to safe abortions.  If the woman i was discussing adoption with decided to go ahead and have an abortion i would be disappointed but it is, ultimately, her choice.  

Abortion cannot be 'banned' or 'eliminated'.  Only legal, safe abortions can.  Abortions will continue but many will not be done by doctors or in a safe manner.  

As for the 'when is it a baby' question.  At such a time during the pregnancy that the fetus is fully viable on its own outside the womb.

Dave
Posted 06/30/2020 04:17PM #9
Originally Posted by James Lacey

Dave,

Sanger was a complicated and imperfect person, just like all historical figures, but what Richard is posting is just sheer propaganda. For example, the quote about not wanting word to get out that they want to exterminate the negro population is cherry-picked and taken totally out of context. This quote is from a letter Sanger wrote to a black physician named Dr. Gamble about a program that provided southern black families with access to contraception. In the letter, she is advising Dr. Gamble on the importance of avoiding the mistaken notion that the program was racist and was encouraging him to hire black people to work in the program, and especially ministers would be helpful.

Here is the entire quote in question, and I think in context, the meaning is clear. Take special note of the underlined section that Richard ultimately left out (or at least the propaganda site he copies and pasted from left out). I'm quite sure that everything he has posted has similar egregious distortions and half-truths.

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the [Birth Control] Federation [of America] as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
Hi James

Ouch.  That is gonna leave a mark if Rich is man enough to recognize that he has been had, and able to see how foolish it makes him look. 

I am not a big fan of PP and I detest their slippery slope arguments.  (Ditto for the NRA and other politically active groups and their slippery slope arguments.)  I think David is correct that an international organization supporting abortion and birth control would have inevitably arisen if Sanger had never been born. 

David's point that banning abortion only bans the legal variety is perfectly symmetric with the gun rights argument that when guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns.  I am morally opposed to abortion, but over the years I have come to acknowledge that many, if not most, people do not agree with me, so I do my best to accept their position.

Jim