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Margaret Sanger wasn't really a racist.

Started by richartisticwoods, 06/30/2020 05:21AM
Posted 06/30/2020 04:20PM #10
Originally Posted by David Cotterell
That's because I am an adoptee.

Dave,

Never give Richard any personal information about yourself or anyone else regardless of how sincerely he says he just wants to know. He will ultimately use it in a personal attack against you sooner or later. I'm sure you haven't forgotten that Richard has attacked you in the past for being gay even though you or not, and he tried to unjustly dox you as a pedophile, which of course, was also false. Richard's behavior on this forum is quite honestly gross and embarrassing.
Posted 06/30/2020 04:21PM #11
Originally Posted by James Lacey


Dave,

Never give Richard any personal information about yourself or anyone else regardless of how sincerely he says he just wants to know. He will ultimately use it in a personal attack against you sooner or later. I'm sure you haven't forgotten that Richard has attacked you in the past for being gay even though you or not, and he tried to unjustly dox you as a pedophile, which of course, was also false. Richard's behavior on this forum is quite honestly gross and embarrassing.
Serious and good advice.

J
Posted 06/30/2020 04:32PM #12
Originally Posted by James Lacey

Dave,

Sanger was a complicated and imperfect person, just like all historical figures, but what Richard is posting is just sheer propaganda. For example, the quote about not wanting word to get out that they want to exterminate the negro population is cherry-picked and taken totally out of context. This quote is from a letter Sanger wrote to a black physician named Dr. Gamble about a program that provided southern black families with access to contraception. In the letter, she is advising Dr. Gamble on the importance of avoiding the mistaken notion that the program was racist and was encouraging him to hire black people to work in the program, and especially ministers would be helpful.

Here is the entire quote in question, and I think in context, the meaning is clear. Take special note of the underlined section that Richard ultimately left out (or at least the propaganda site he copies and pasted from left out). I'm quite sure that everything he has posted has similar egregious distortions and half-truths.

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the [Birth Control] Federation [of America] as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
I can't even believe that you are trying to DEFEND her racism.

And your quote is wrong.  I have a copy of the actual letter, written on December 10th, 1939 and it doesn't say "we don't want word to GO out", it says specifically "we don't want word to GET out, that we WANT to exterminate the Negro Population".

Then it talks about controlling the population of blacks who are inferior.

She wrote this verbatim:  

"The Mass of Negroes, particularly in the South Still BREED carelessly, and disastrously with the result that the increase among Negroes, even more so than among Whites, is from that portion of the population LEAST INTELLIGENT and FITPublic Health statistics merely hint at the PRIMITIVE state of CIVILIZATION in which most Negroes in the South live.   

Margaret Sanger 1925

Let me just prove what a hypocrite you are.  

Take the commentary above and in place of "Margaret Sanger 1925" replace that with "Donald Trump 2020"

You would be SCREAMING From the mountain tops as to just what a Bigoted Racist Donald Trump is!  

You've sunk lower than I could even fathom, that you would defend a racist white bigot and her despicable writings SOLELY because you don't want to be wrong.

That is beyond pathetic.
 
Only in the current time frame of Far Left Democrat America would we see on this forum a Black Leftist apologize for the writings of, and support the thoughts of a Racist White woman who spoke at many KKK rallies back in the early part of this century and claim that she ISN'T the raging racist that she was.

Your posting is truly the saddest one I've seen lately.
Posted 06/30/2020 04:33PM #13
Originally Posted by James Lacey


Dave,

Never give Richard any personal information about yourself or anyone else regardless of how sincerely he says he just wants to know. He will ultimately use it in a personal attack against you sooner or later. I'm sure you haven't forgotten that Richard has attacked you in the past for being gay even though you or not, and he tried to unjustly dox you as a pedophile, which of course, was also false. Richard's behavior on this forum is quite honestly gross and embarrassing.
No I didn't, and you're a liar.  

The above is a complete fabrication.  
Posted 06/30/2020 04:34PM #14
Originally Posted by James Brown

Serious and good advice.

J
And a lie.  wink
Posted 06/30/2020 04:35PM #15
Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi James

Ouch.  That is gonna leave a mark if Rich is man enough to recognize that he has been had, and able to see how foolish it makes him look. 

I am not a big fan of PP and I detest their slippery slope arguments.  (Ditto for the NRA and other politically active groups and their slippery slope arguments.)  I think David is correct that an international organization supporting abortion and birth control would have inevitably arisen if Sanger had never been born. 

David's point that banning abortion only bans the legal variety is perfectly symmetric with the gun rights argument that when guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns.  I am morally opposed to abortion, but over the years I have come to acknowledge that many, if not most, people do not agree with me, so I do my best to accept their position.

Jim
No, I just posted the facts about Margaret Sanger and her unparalleled bigotry.

How have I been had?  That's pretty laughable.  smile
Posted 06/30/2020 04:41PM #16
Originally Posted by James Lacey


Dave,

Never give Richard any personal information about yourself or anyone else regardless of how sincerely he says he just wants to know. He will ultimately use it in a personal attack against you sooner or later. I'm sure you haven't forgotten that Richard has attacked you in the past for being gay even though you or not, and he tried to unjustly dox you as a pedophile, which of course, was also false. Richard's behavior on this forum is quite honestly gross and embarrassing.

Be specific, what personal information about anyone here have I used as a personal attack?  

I wrote about the response that Jim M.  gave regarding his thoughts on Abortion.  

He wrote to me what he thought about abortion in an email. So what?  Is he too cowardly to admit his thoughts out loud?

We never had any sort of pact, nor did he ever say "don't tell anyone" when he wrote that to me.  

And since he felt perfectly fine OPENLY calling my father, a bigot and a racist, I truly don't give a damn that he got upset that I exposed him.
Posted 06/30/2020 04:55PM #17
Originally Posted by David Cotterell
I posted my views on this issue a while ago but you have forgotten.

I am personally against abortion.  If I knew a woman who was considering abortion I would discuss with her the possibility of adoption.  That's because I am an adoptee. If abortion were legal in 1951 in Winnipeg I might not exist now...  Adoption is a very noble and necessary part of life.  

But I am pro-choice.  It is solely the pregnant woman's choice.  I am not in favour of the state 'banning' access to safe abortions.  If the woman i was discussing adoption with decided to go ahead and have an abortion i would be disappointed but it is, ultimately, her choice.  

Abortion cannot be 'banned' or 'eliminated'.  Only legal, safe abortions can.  Abortions will continue but many will not be done by doctors or in a safe manner.  

As for the 'when is it a baby' question.  At such a time during the pregnancy that the fetus is fully viable on its own outside the womb.

Dave
You mean the baby right?  

Let's get philosophical here.  

Let me approach it this way.  When is fully viable the criteria?

There are many babies born premature but are not capable of surviving outside the womb on their own without Medical intervention.

Therefore they are not fully viable

I worked in the Neonatal ICU at Memorial Hospital years ago.

Would you have a problem with a doctor leaving a baby on a counter in a baby carrier and trying to feed it through the mouth, and if the baby couldn't take food orally, just letting it die?

That's a very direct question and goes to your statement about "viability".

I'm interested in your thoughts on that.  

I wouldn't. I know that incubators are needed to keep premature babies alive.  

My sister was born at 7 months, and she was in an incubator. 

I was only 4lbs 11oz at birth, but didn't need an incubator.  

Would you say that its OK for a baby to be left to fend on its own, and if the mother couldn't support the baby and it dies, well that's ok?  

Or do you support the idea of providing "extra help" via an incubator?
Posted 06/30/2020 06:50PM | Edited 06/30/2020 06:50PM #18
Originally Posted by James Lacey


Dave,

Never give Richard any personal information about yourself or anyone else regardless of how sincerely he says he just wants to know. He will ultimately use it in a personal attack against you sooner or later. I'm sure you haven't forgotten that Richard has attacked you in the past for being gay even though you or not, and he tried to unjustly dox you as a pedophile, which of course, was also false. Richard's behavior on this forum is quite honestly gross and embarrassing.
What I find gross and embarrassing is your willingness to make excuses for a racist pig like Margaret Sanger who was the founder an organization that you revere as a wonderful example of today's Democrat "enlightenment".

Planned Parenthood is nothing more than a Democrat Party supported and sanctioned abortion mill that is defended by leftists like you, the same leftists who can't possibility offer any objective honesty about its Vile, Gross (to use your word), and Disgusting existence, there to wipe out babies in the womb as if it the babies they kill are nothing more than tumors that these poor girls are removing from their bodies.  

Cloaked in the rhetoric that they exist for "Women's Reproductive Health", you try to legitimize this organization and this racist PIG of a woman, Margaret Sanger.  

You should be ashamed, but you're too damned foolish to be embarrassed and ashamed.  

You might have noticed that you're pretty much the only person on this forum willing to sell out your integrity for the cause of Promoting today's Liberalism  far left agenda and political stance.  
Posted 06/30/2020 07:09PM #19
Wow, seven posts of red herrings, straw men, hyperbole, hysterics, and plain old BS in a row. Got any hair left? LOL