-What I meant was that this "entitlement" is not a right bestowed upon us from above or -anything like that.
Then you might want to look up what the word means before using it. That's what you said so I have no choice to believe that is what you meant. People use certain words freely with no clue of their actual meaning. It seems the "catch phrase of the day" has been based on words with wrong meanings.
-I don't keep track of your good deeds or those of anyone else, so I said "claims".
Um, saying someone just makes "claims" implies they are not speaking the truth. But let's review it in the entire context of your statement.
-You say you are willing to help the unfortunate; fine. Lots of conservatives make similar -claims.
Sounds to me like you are advocating these "claims" to be untrue. But that could be just the way I was taught grammar.
-And are you saying you're not a conservative? Just about everything you've said in this -thread indicates that you are. Maybe you don't like political pigeonholing? In that case, -you might reciprocate by refraining from referring to people as liberals.
Well Joe, is being conservative in my lifestyle, in many ways, make me a "Republican"? It seems that "liberals" seem to equate conservatism with being a "Republican". I am not a "Republican". I am not "of the party". But I am mostly a moderate. Am I conservative? Yes, in many ways I am. I conserve on the things I use myself, I conserve on the amount of "toys" I have, I conserve because I'll need it later and don't want to be left in the dust when a "crisis situation" actually hits. And since I have no desire to spend someone else's money, I am most certainly not a "Liberal". In my view, Liberals want to spend other people's money, and not their own. And from what I gathered from you, you want to spend someone else's money for something you can't pay for yourself.
You yourself said...
-I would be happy to pay some of my money (if I had any) to prevent people from suffering -that kind of misery and indignity.
So you want to reach into *my* pocket to pay for one, or more of your ideals? You see Joe, the big difference between me, and you, is that I *do* help, I do give to help prevent, or ease the suffering of others. And I do it without demanding that anyone reach into *your* pockets to help. And if I am taxed yet another $30, $40, $50/week, I will not be able to help those in need around me. If I could afford the $50/week, I would be buying my own health insurance. But with this vision of grandeur you have, you would TAKE that money and "give" me health care. I would have lost my freedom to give on my own because I wouldn't have it to give on my own. And those around me would go without food, clothing, or a Xmas gift for their children. But hey, they would have "Health Care". It would be taken by force, by no choice of my own simply because the "Liberals" say "it's best for me".
-You didn't address my point at all. My point was, that someone in trouble shouldn't have -to hunt around to figure out who is willing to help him. It should be clear and consistent -for all citizens.
Um, Joe, just dial 911. The only thing you need to hunt for is a telephone.
-By the way, do you feel you should be completely untaxed?
Not at all Joe. It's the *overtaxing* that bothers me. We already spend close to 60% of our wages in taxes. There are the State and local taxes, sales taxes, taxes galore on utilities, lights, phone, heating, taxes on your property, taxes on the gas you put in your car, taxes on the tires for your car, and many more "hidden" taxes that people just ignore. Many of these taxes were for social programs, and for some programs that have come and gone, but the taxes are still there. Why? Government Waste. So my faith in a Government Instituted "Health Care System" is nil. It will just be another black hole sucking money out of the people.
-St Jude's: no doubt they do many great things, but I think you're oversimplifying their -admission policy just a little. If it were a case of "No child is ever turned away, -period!" they wouldn't need the eligibility requirements detailed on their web site.
Um, the "eligibility requirements" you speak of have nothing to do with how much you can afford to pay them. It is a hospital for children with serious needs, not stubbed toes and hangnails.
Now that I've read about Mr. Castonguay, I see that he wants to amend the Canadian system in various ways, not demolish it.
That's because this "dream" of "universal health care for all" can never be realized. But now they want their cake and eat it too! They'll still tax you, but you still have to pay yourself. Sounds a lot like the "black hole" I mentioned above. It will end up, just like all the rest, just another tax on everyone, but only a few will actually benefit from it. There are just too many people, and too little sources to pay for it. Only a small country, such as Norway, that has the OIL GLUT to feed it, will ever work. In a FREE society, like ours, it will *never* work.
Did you actually notice the population of Norway is only 4.6 million (or close to that), and just to population of NYC alone is 8.2 million. It would seemingly take all of Norway's oil revenues just to cover New York City *alone*. And Norway is the 3rd largest oil producer/exporter in the *world* Joe. Just how do these "smarter" Liberals plan on financing this "utopian" society of theirs? They are most certainly not going to spend any of *their* money!
What is the sense in "Governmentizing" something, only to "give" it back to the private sector? It is a short-sighted "dream" that only a few will get rich off of. Yes, those who are at the top will have made money, while those at the bottom will have gotten poorer.
-In my opinion, medical insurance "providers" are crooked rackets which should be dissolved -and made illegal. They are nothing more than parasites, contributing nothing.
Yes Joe, let's just get rid of the competition and have a monopolistic medical insurance company called "The Government" where you pay them, and pay for your services too. All the while the "CEOs" of that monolithic company take home 6 figure incomes and get "full benefits" to boot. Yeah, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. How about you?
-Any plan which is likely to be adopted will probably involve leaving the actual health -care providers in private hands.
And when the Doctors and Nurses get their paychecks for minimum wage, since that comes from the Government, just how much "quality care" will you be expecting? You can't have it both ways. It's either private, or Government, not both. I don't suppose there would be any "conditions" set by which the medical industry would be required to follow in order to get, and spend that money? And when the Government says "this is all you get because there isn't enough", what then? The people will not be able to afford their own since the Government is taking it in TAXES that are supposedly paying for it in the first place? Would the Government then raise taxes to cover it? Leaving the people yet more poor than before?
Hey Joe, if you want to get health care, you're free to get a group of people together and share the cost. Just don't reach into my pocket for your group's costs. But it's just not that easy is it? Most people are unwilling to help share the load. And it's hard to get any insurance company to give a "Group Plan" to a group of individuals. So if you want to help, tell your Elected Representatives to legislate laws that allows for "Group Plans" for groups if individuals. I've been telling mine for years, but it falls on deaf ears. Why? There is no "glory" in it. No way to "control" my money if that were to happen. We wouldn't be talking about "Universal Health Care".
Why will neither prominent party give the President line item veto power? Because they want to be able to siphon off taxpayer dollars for their own personal use in "Pork Barrel" waste. The President, *any* President, would have the ability to say "Nope, you're not wasting this 20 gazillion dollars". Then, We The People, would not need to be taxed so much. Then, We The People, would have money in our pockets. Then, We The People, wouldn't have to worry about the price at the pump, the cost of health care, or if we'll be able to eat tomorrow.
Pelosi,and Biden ran on the platform of "We'll straighten out Washington". They said they would not try and indict the "Bush Administration" so it didn't hurt the country. What did they do? The first thing was call for suing the "Bush Administration". The second thing was Pelosi putting "raspberry tarts" in the White House. OOOHHH, that was important. Then "let's pretty up the beaches", another extremely important, and pressing "issue" Pelosi had "fixed". Then they decided to raise the minimum wage. OK, I have no problem with people making more money. But the problem is who pays for that? Gee, in a matter of 2 years, I'll be back to a minimum wage job! The small company I work for simply can't afford to pay any more! And make no mistake, there are thousands of small companies that are in the same boat. What's going to happen with new taxes being added? These thousands of small companies, that employ tens of thousands of people, will simply cease to exist. Then you'll have tens of thousands more that are in the poor house. But hey, we'll have Health Care, raspberry tarts in the White House, and pretty beaches.
So, a few years go by and they say "Gee, we need more money to run this "Universal Health Care" since we lost some of out income to people losing their jobs, I know, let's tax the rich some more". Oh, there aren't as many "rich" people any more, so let's drop the level in which we declare someone to be "rich". How about taking the upper part of the middle class and call them "the rich". Now we can tax them! Problem solved! NOT! It's going to spiral out of control and put America in a crisis you've never seen when most of the people are dirt poor from being robbed by the Government. And people that believe that "Utopia" can be achieved, will have been the cause of the downfall of America.
So just you go ahead and reach into someone else's pockets for your short-lived utopia and enjoy it while you can. It won't last very long..