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THE QUESTION - some of you shouldn't look - you have been warned

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Posted 08/17/2008 03:17PM #80

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[QUOTE]Richard Wright said:

[snip] every other enterprise in the country is only 1/3 of the economy; the rest is us.
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The rest is us buying their stocks

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Posted 08/17/2008 03:19PM #81

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Do you guys think that the Country is on the right track?

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Posted 08/17/2008 05:21PM #82

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Drill here...drill now. Oil is the engine that drives the economy. With the high gas prices, one of the governments major money makers (gas taxes) is on a decline with the decline of driving (down significantly from last year). Drilling in the US will have an immediate impact on gas prices because of speculators realizing that there will be another source of oil in the near future.

It's also important for our national security that we have our own oil resources rather than getting 70% of our oil from foreign sources. Russia would very much like to see Obama in office because he will weaken us militarily. The Russians are not dead as witnessed by their recent activity in Georgia. Look for further advances and threats coming from them. We cannot afford to be at the mercy of foreign oil.

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Posted 08/18/2008 12:54AM #83

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I'm sorry, but there's no way the little bit of oil we might get starting in 5 or 10 years from offshore drilling is going to free us from being at the mercy of foreign oil. Anyone who says otherwise is blowing smoke. And is 5 or 10 years the "near future?"

We could drain every drop of oil from our land and still not be free of the need for foreign imports. And you seem to think high consumption is good, to provide tax revenue? That can't go on forever. Or even for much longer.

Will Obama weaken the military the way Bush has. by exhausting it and squandering its resources on a pointless war against a country that didn't threaten us? I bet McCain would. He seems quite eager to have at it. IF Russia really prefers Obama, maybe it's because they don't want some reckless hotheaded warmonger in office. Nor do they appear to be daunted in their current barbarism by the reckless warmonger currently in office. Bush's chiding words don't seem to be having much effect on them.

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Posted 08/18/2008 02:08AM #84

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while the pollsters love that stupid and in my opinion, asinine question. Answers to it are seldom informative and useful, because it requires a yes or no answer. Libs, likely will answer it is "No" (they hate Bush and everything he says and does), ergo, an answer of "No". Conservatives may also answer the country is on the wrong track (for completely different reasons), thereby yielding a high percentage of "wrong track answers".
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I fall in the later group. I believe in a strong economy, and a strong national defense, I believe in personal responsibility, and a market economy, if illegals want to come into this country, they can, at their own risk (of deportation and imprisonment), I think it is absurd and asinine that ballots and other public government documents are written in any other language than English (I am more or less fluent in both German and Russian). I also, agree with the Carter Doctrine (which apparently so does President George W. Bush).
And finally, I do not think Obama is a classic Marxist, I do however believe he believes in some kind of "hybrid marxism". Which leaves me wondering which of the four likely candidates will do the least harm to my civil liberties.

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Posted 08/21/2008 06:56PM #85

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I too have to agree that direction is not a valid or answerable question. As a Conservative I am not a McCain fan nor am I an Obama fan so I will not vote for McCain but against Obama who shows me little in the way of experience in areas that a leader of the United States must have. His refusal to acknowledge progress in Iraq and denial of numerous flip flops,
campaign financing, gun control, just to name a couple and his "attack rebels in Pakistan" and total misunderstanding of when, why, and how to expand forces in Afghanistan, worry me. The question as asked was the correct one as the previous respondants pointed out.

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Posted 08/21/2008 07:12PM #86

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No it isn't the reason we have a huge national debt. We have a huge national debt because the government spends too much. Additionally, NO COMPANY PAYS TAXES Their customers pay the taxes. Taxing companies is a sneaky way of raising individual taxes without the public realizing it. Companies just raise their prices to take into account the amount of taxes that they have to pay. The only fair tax is a consumption tax. That is why lowering income and capital gains taxes produces increased revenue. Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush all proved that. Deficits grew because Congress insisted on spending more than the increase in revenue.

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Posted 08/21/2008 09:00PM #87

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Collin Smith said:

Saying 'no' to agri-business ethanol is something the oil industry has a long history of doing, long before it could be equated with aiding a global food crisis and back when it was a good idea. Fortunately, Brazil didn't listen to their babble and has driven away (on ethanol fueled vehicles) from the black demon liquid.

Who attacked the twin towers and destroyed them? People from the oil-rich 'ally' of Saudi Arabia. Who murdered workers in Houston and has walked away with a few million dollar fines and settlements? BP, even though they made $6.85 billion in the first half of 2008 alone! Don't take my word for it -- read all about it ...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/energy/4324614.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7530213.stm

John McCain (and the Republican Party) is the pocket of the uber-wealthy oil companies (and pharmaceuticals). His vote in December on this act ...
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00425&long=1

... demonstrates what a patsy for the oil industry he is. Quite frankly, Mr. Barar, if you don't have the few grades of gasoline you claim would save so much in red tape, you only have a Republican government to blame, since they completely controlled the Congress and White House for the first 6 years of this decade, and have only slowly begun to lose their stranglehold after the 2006 election (though still maintaining considerable power as the above vote demonstrates).

But the tide can turn against the black death, and it's past time we rolled out the Republicans with all their super-rich oil cronies and took back the government, spending money on renewable research and infrastructural investment, and away from the Military Industrial Complex. It's past time the US' medical industry was the cheapest in the free world, and the one that provides best for ALL its citizens. The Democratic Party in 2008 can start us down that path. The oil industry (i.e., Republican's Party) is diametrically opposed.

EXCELLENT POST, now we need to get rid of Diebold, or else no matter how many people vote McBush out, the Diebold count will always be 52% NeoCon.

I am a conservative republican who is deeply saddened that my party has been taken over by these 'Crooks and Liars' and has only acted in one vain, GREED at the expense of real Americans, everyday people.

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Posted 08/22/2008 02:12PM #88

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That's interesting. How does your theory take into account Clinton's years of budget surpluses and debt payoff?

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Posted 08/22/2008 02:16PM #89

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It's remarkable how many of the economic panaceas proposed by the rich (politicians and their primary supporters), which are calculated to make them even richer (consumption tax, no capital gains tax, etc.), also just happen to be exactly what us ordinary citizens need to prosper. With a win-win situation like that, it's amazing that any of us has the gall to oppose the wishes of our feudal lords, I mean our leaders, in these areas. Or ANY area!

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