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Started by dmatulis, 05/09/2012 02:31PM
Posted 05/09/2012 02:31PM | Edited 05/09/2012 02:31PM Opening Post
http://www.astromart.com/forums/viewpost.asp?forum_post_id=786412&poll_id=&news_id=&page=

I am convinced that Christ would not have opposed gay marriage based upon his actual sermons. [SIZE="Small"] -Jim Brown[/SIZE]

...Where is Jesus' sermon supporting gay marriage?

I am also convinced that God does not make abominations and God created gays as they are.[SIZE="Small"] -Jim Brown[/SIZE]

Where did God say he made not only Adam and Eve, but also Adam and Steve?

Doug Matulis
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Posted 05/09/2012 03:47PM #1
I liked the thread title better...
Posted 05/14/2012 08:37PM #2
Doug Matulis said:

http://www.astromart.com/forums/viewpost.asp?forum_post_id=786412&poll_id=&news_id=&page=

I am convinced that Christ would not have opposed gay marriage based upon his actual sermons. [SIZE="Small"] -Jim Brown[/SIZE]

...Where is Jesus' sermon supporting gay marriage?

I am also convinced that God does not make abominations and God created gays as they are.[SIZE="Small"] -Jim Brown[/SIZE]

Where did God say he made not only Adam and Eve, but also Adam and Steve?

Hi Doug,
You're the one saying Adam & Steve. To make that point valid you've elevated it to the level of "God didn't say it." through implied contradiction. In fact God didn't say he made Adam & Eve, a book you happen to believe in says it. If you hold to that belief, fine. Avoid marrying a gay person.

In my belief, and many billions of others, (elevation again, I know) God made all things, gay or straight, vegetable or mineral, Ford or Chevy and so on. Does my set of beliefs shatter yours? Of course not. You'll go happily on thinking I'm doomed, or some such. I'll go happily on thinking you're missing out on some of life's adventures.

The point of opposition on gay marriage is one group is trying to suppress another groups pursuit of what they believe to be happiness. That is from one point of view. My point is that's really none of my business. I'll go happily along without spoiling whatever joy they might find in life.

The point of opposition on personal belief is where we cross the line between maintaining our own faith, and interfering with that of others.

In our case, it goes back to you thinking life only has one path, and my thought that each of us finds one of many billions of paths. Yours ends in salvation, as that destination is important to you. Mine simply does not end, as the journey itself is what I value. Well... May your way be as pleasant as mine has been.

As for the many millions of gay people in the world... It can't be easy, so I wish them well.

There's two more cents,
Steve
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Posted 05/15/2012 05:42AM #3
In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Jew,
homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot
be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open
letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the
Internet.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of
debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements
of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of
abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.
Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go
to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.
20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.

Your adoring fan,


James M. Kauffman, Ed.D.
Professor Emeritus,

Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
University of Virginia