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Science in the Bible

Started by klawson, 01/05/2011 11:43AM
Posted 01/05/2011 11:43AM | Edited 01/05/2011 12:07PM Opening Post
Is there science in the Bible? Yes, even though the Bible is not a science book.

Please remember that our modern scientific words did not exist when these scriptures were originally written.

The Atom: Even though Solomon didn’t use the terms atom or sub-atomic particles, this scripture reveals that he understood the concept before modern man “discovered” it. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. (Proverbs 8:26)

A Round Earth: Christopher Columbus could have saved himself a lot of time trying to convince people that the earth was round had he used this scripture: It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants therefore are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in…(Isaiah 40:22)

Gravity: Job in chapter 26:7 speaks about the invisible force of gravity: He stretchest out the north over the empty place, and
hangeth the earth upon nothing.


The first Law of Thermodynamics: I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

Earth’s Hydrologic Cycle: All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again. (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

Earth’s Wind Cycles: The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about to the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to its circuits. (Ecclesiastes 5:16)

Astronomy: Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring Mazzroth in its season, Or canst thou guide Arcturus with its sons? (Job 38:31,32) Mazzroth is the 12 signs of the zodiac. Arcturus is not the star but the Great Bear that we know today as Ursa Major. It is interesting to note that the star groupings mentioned (except the zodiac) have seven main stars.

Dinosuars: Job 40:15-40. This animal is called a Behomoth. Modern thelogy says that this a hippo. These scriptures describe a Brontosaurus more than a hippo. Since most mondern thelogy believs in evolution, and the dinosaurs lived supposedly millions of years ago, they had to settle with a hippo. Job 41:1-34 describs a terrible dinosaur. Modern thelogy calls this a crocodile. Not even close.

There is a lot more but I hope these examples suffice.

Keith


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Posted 01/05/2011 12:27PM #1
Please remember that humans existed long before the scriptures. Men made observations and the authors took it upon themselves to give all credit of their observed wonders to a god as an explanation of their existence. Yet I do not see anything other than the observances themselves.

Why do the rains fall that replenish the rivers? Evaporation and condensation. Easily observed.

Stand on flat ground, spin 360 degrees, and you have the circle of the earth. The sky seems as it is a "curtain" stretching from horizon to horizon. The tent is the atmosphere. Gravity is from someone who reasoned the earth is a sphere "floating" in space. But yet why was it believed the earth was the "center of the universe"?, and Galileo imprisoned for his observations?

The cycles of the winds are an easy observation.

An you do not have to be a astronomer to observe the stars. But it is a nice mention. wink

The beginnings of time have been pondered through the ages. It is nothing new, nor any revelation, it is in the bible, written by men.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 is just pure religion, not about thermodynamics. It just seems to be familiar from your own knowledge.

The people were pretty smart and concluded many things through observation. However, they lacked an explanation for each of their observations, and just said "god did it".

True science goes to great length to explain the "ways" and "hows" things happen. Even so, nobody, neither science nor religion, can explain how everything "came to be". Or like we want to call, "the beginning". Science always wants to dig deeper to find what comes before. Religion puts up a blockade and says you cannot go further than "god did it". Now where's the fun in that? wink

Keith Lawson said:

Is there science in the Bible? Yes, even though the Bible is not a science book.

Please remember that our modern scientific words did not exist when these scriptures were originally written.

The Atom: Even though Solomon didn’t use the terms atom or sub-atomic particles, this scripture reveals that he understood the concept before modern man “discovered� it. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. (Proverbs 8:26)

A Round Earth: Christopher Columbus could have saved himself a lot of time trying to convince people that the earth was round had he used this scripture: It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants therefore are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in…(Isaiah 40:22)

Gravity: Job in chapter 26:7 speaks about the invisible force of gravity: He stretchest out the north over the empty place, and
hangeth the earth upon nothing.


The first Law of Thermodynamics: I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

Earth’s Hydrologic Cycle: All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again. (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

Earth’s Wind Cycles: The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about to the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to its circuits. (Ecclesiastes 5:16)

Astronomy: Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring Mazzroth in its season, Or canst thou guide Arcturus with its sons? (Job 38:31,32) Mazzroth is the 12 signs of the zodiac. Arcturus is not the star but the Great Bear that we know today as Ursa Major. It is interesting to note that the star groupings mentioned (except the zodiac) have seven main stars.

There is a lot more but I hope these examples suffice.

Keith

Posted 01/05/2011 12:45PM #2
LOL that's pretty low bar for "science" and in fact it's so low that you could probably find "science" in just about any ancient text.

Besides, the intellectual class of antiquity knew for example that the Earth was spherical. Eratosthenes made a very good estimate of the Earth's diameter in the third century BC.
Posted 01/05/2011 03:17PM #3
Keith Lawson said:

There is a lot more but I hope these examples suffice.

Keith


Not really. Everything here is a stretch, and not at all convincing of the Bible's science, which is exactly on the level to be expected for the stories of any Bronze Age civilization.

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Posted 01/05/2011 04:58PM | Edited 01/05/2011 05:01PM #4
Keith:

In my view, this type of thing cheapens religion and makes serious and sober spiritual people out to be laughingstocks by association. The Bible is not about science and the more specific examples you mention, of atoms, beasts, stars or the earth and sky read a whole lot more like myth and fable than science. In other words you have to torture the meaning of these phrases to even hint at, let alone legitimately suggest that any profound scientific truth was miraculously revealed to the ancients.

Why bother with this foolish exercise? Like I mentioned to Doug the other day, embracing science and human knowledge hardly compromises proper theology. Man evolved a superb brain. If God exists it would be hard to imagine any reason that he would be opposed to us using those brains to the best of our ability.

Jim
Posted 01/06/2011 10:24PM | Edited 01/06/2011 10:31PM #5
Hi Keith I'm sorry for what happen to message of Jesus.
that is whay some things do not fit OK here is why
http://www.islamcode.com/

or you can read this if you have time !


[COLOR="Fuchsia"]The "Bible" for Muslims?
What Do Muslims Believe About the Old and New Testament?
[/COLOR]

First it was the Da Vinci Code controversy - It was everywhere! Dan Brown's book said Jesus in not divine or God, and the gospels as we know them, had been changed, and after Jesus stay here on earth, men raised his status to the level of God. Could any of this be true?
Now the Christian scholar, Professor Bart Ehran's book "Misquoting Jesus" claims they do not even have a "copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy" of anything from the original writings of any of the writers of the Old or the New Testament. What does this do to the faithful?
Ancient secrets of the Church, hidden for centuries have actually been revealed and published in books prior to the Da Vinci Code. Baigent and Leigh have produced other books from researchers point of view over the last two decades, including "Dead Sea Scrolls Deception", "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", and "Messianic Legacy." These books were topics of hot debate when they came out in the early 90's and certainly they have fueled an ongoing interest into just exactly who was this man Jesus, what was his message and what happened to him?
Islam provided solid evidence over 1,400 years ago. The answer, according to Muslim scholars has been in the Quran for over fourteen hundred years Some may be surprised to learn, Muslims believe in the miracle birth and other miracles associated with Jesus. They actually consider him as the "Messiah" and they even say, "peace be upon him" when mentioning his name. But, they are quick to negate any connection between God and Jesus as a partnership or God-head, and they rule out the notion of God having any son (or daughter for that matter).
Muslim scholars "broke the code" like this: Creation itself tells us there is a creator and from the beginning of time – Allah, (the One God in Arabic) alone is to be worshiped. This is clear teaching throughout the Old testament (Torah), the scriptures that Jesus himself read and taught from. God is one not one of three; for example: ‘He is God; [COLOR="Blue"]there is no other besides Him’. (Deuteronomy 4:35). [/COLOR]The same is mentioned in the book of Mark in the New Testament, chapter 12, verse 29, when Jesus, peace be upon him, had been asked about the Greatest Commandment he replied, "To know, O Israel, the Lord your God is One Lord; and you have to love Him with all your heart and all your mind and all your strength."
According to the oldest and most authentic copies of manuscripts and scrolls available throughout the centuries, Jesus, peace be upon him, never claimed to be God, or the creator, or the One to pray to, nor did he tell his followers to revere him as God. These notions appear on the lips of others who came along decades and even centuries later. While Jesus was on earth he did not claim to be the creator or ask us to revere him as God. His miraculous birth is a sign of his prophethood: “Verily, the likeness of Jesus before Allah, is the likeness of Adam. He (Allah) created him from dust and said “Be!” and he was” (Quran 3:59). Like all the great and noble prophets of Allah such as Adam, Abraham, Moses, Isaac and David, Jesus came with one message: Worship, love, obey and submit to the one true God, Allah, the creator of everything and do not worship anything besides Allah.
Throughout history, people have taken to worship things or people alongside Allah, or just worshiping something else like power, status or money. Even the names of religions seem have more to do with the creation and less or nothing to do with the Creator. For example: Buddhism – Buddha (the name of a man), Confucianism – Confucius (the name of a man), Hinduism – Hind (the name of an area), Judaism – Judah (the name of a tribe) and Christianity – Christ (the name of a great prophet).
Islam is different. Islam is a word coming from the verb "aslama" and it carries the meaning of "surrender", "submission", "obedience", "sincerity" and "peace" between you and Almighty Allah (God) and not to any human or anything within creation. Anyone who practices Islam submits to and worships Allah, alone without any partners of any kind.
The Quran states: "There is only One God (Allah) then have reverence for Me and fear Me (and Me alone)." To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and on earth, and to Him is duty due always: then will ye fear other than Allah?" (Quran 16:51-52)
Isn’t it time you join Jesus, the son of Mary, along with all of the other Prophets of Allah and practice the "Submission to the Will of God" (Islam)?
Or simply put: [COLOR="Red"]"Worship the Creator - and not His Creations!"[/COLOR]
Keith Lawson said:

Is there science in the Bible? Yes, even though the Bible is not a science book.

Please remember that our modern scientific words did not exist when these scriptures were originally written.

The Atom: Even though Solomon didn’t use the terms atom or sub-atomic particles, this scripture reveals that he understood the concept before modern man “discovered� it. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. (Proverbs 8:26)

A Round Earth: Christopher Columbus could have saved himself a lot of time trying to convince people that the earth was round had he used this scripture: It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants therefore are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in…(Isaiah 40:22)

Gravity: Job in chapter 26:7 speaks about the invisible force of gravity: He stretchest out the north over the empty place, and
hangeth the earth upon nothing.


The first Law of Thermodynamics: I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

Earth’s Hydrologic Cycle: All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again. (Ecclesiastes 1:7)

Earth’s Wind Cycles: The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about to the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to its circuits. (Ecclesiastes 5:16)

Astronomy: Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring Mazzroth in its season, Or canst thou guide Arcturus with its sons? (Job 38:31,32) Mazzroth is the 12 signs of the zodiac. Arcturus is not the star but the Great Bear that we know today as Ursa Major. It is interesting to note that the star groupings mentioned (except the zodiac) have seven main stars.

Dinosuars: Job 40:15-40. This animal is called a Behomoth. Modern thelogy says that this a hippo. These scriptures describe a Brontosaurus more than a hippo. Since most mondern thelogy believs in evolution, and the dinosaurs lived supposedly millions of years ago, they had to settle with a hippo. Job 41:1-34 describs a terrible dinosaur. Modern thelogy calls this a crocodile. Not even close.

There is a lot more but I hope these examples suffice.

Keith



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