Posted By James Brown
Hi James:Originally Posted by James Lacey
The underlying cause of death in all of the death certificates was COVID-19. The underlying cause of death is, by definition, "The disease or injury that initiates a chain of events, brief or prolonged, which produces a fatal outcome."
To say these people didn't die of COVID-19 would be like saying that a person with stage-4 lung cancer didn't die of cancer, they instead died of a pulmonary embolism, when the pulmonary embolism would have never occurred without cancer.
We've always known that co-morbidities increase your risk of dying from COVID-19, just like with almost any respiratory disease. Just because you have co-morbidities and die after contracting COVID-19 does not mean that COVID-19 was not the cause of death. Only counting healthy people who die from COVID-19 as COVID deaths not only does not make any sense, it would also be entirely at odds with how death certificates work today. Death certificates not only list the cause of death, but they also list the mechanism of death. For example, they might list "Acute respiratory distress, caused by pneumonia, caused by COVID-19." The ARD may be what ultimately killed you, but you would never have had it if not for the COVID-19.
Well put. Rich is arguing a meaningless distinction, as is his style.
I am sure that he can find some percentage of people who were going to die in the next few weeks anyway, who then got Covid 19 in hospice and have it listed on their death certificate as a cause. This offends him, I suppose because he apparently thinks the coroners and hospital administrators of the world are D hacks who are motivated in their day to day grind by the opportunity to make Trump look bad.