Posted By Russell Cole
I thought I would unbury this discussion and start another thread.
My original comments are normal, Doug's comments are in bold, my new comments are italic:
First of all, I think the Bible is always correct, it is my understanding of the Bible that needs work.
This is an excellent starting point!
So here goes...
I don't think that the Adam and Eve story is the story of the first sin and the beginning of death and decay. I think that Cain murdering Able was the first sin. I see Adam and Eve as the story of man acquiring intelligence and therefore losing innocence.
Well yours is a viewpoint I have not heard yet. How do you support this biblically? Romans 5 says that sin and death entered through on man, Adam. Further, don't you think that when God created the Universe and called it good, that it was without death, decay, and struggle? The bible is quite clear on the origin of death and knowing the definition of sin, its source is also clear. How do you argue for your claims?
No, sin entered the world through one man, Adam, and death through sin. I think it was the ability to distiguish right from wrong that gave us the ability to sin, and death here is our soul not the earthly death.
Yes, God did create the world and call it good. I do not think that it was without death, decay, and struggle.
I don't see the Garden of Eden as an actual place, but rather a representation of the state of innocence of man. The Earth had existed prior to the Adam and Eve story, for millions of years going through the creation process, to get us to this story. Death and decay were definitely a part of this.
I can certain see this argument from a naturalistic standpoint, but from a biblical/theological standpoint it seems a bit if a stretch.
Who did Cain marry? There was more of a world out there.
I do not see the immortality of man or any other creature or plant prior to the "apple incident".
Well most argue that God is immortal and since man was created in his image, man in his inital state was created immortal. Then of course there is the fall that brought death in to the world that God described as 'good' and man as 'very good'.
Yes, God is immortal. No, man never was.
I do not see the Biblical creation process as taking a literal seven 24 hour days. On version I like is where the creation is being explained to a person writing the story and each day so much was explained, thus we have the seven days and it all fits really well into a week.
I like the biblical version, the narrative of the creation events documenting the order and the days. Seems logical.
I agree, both narratives (maybe three?). I like the one where God commands the earth to bring forth life. It seems like that support evolution (granted man is created separately even here).
At this point evolution is very easy to reconcile with the Bible's version of creation and as the work of God.
I don't think you have it right nor reconciled anything
Oh, me either, and I don't think that I ever will.