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AstroMart deal gone bad, Part II

Started by MiamiXJ, 03/02/2003 09:36AM
Posted 03/02/2003 09:36AM Opening Post

Well, a follow-up to my AstroMart deal gone bad story from January. I can not believe how some people can sleep at night. How can anyone involved in our relatively small hobby be so completely deceptive and unscrupulous and devoid of morals and honor? Considering all the nice people I have done business with on here and or interacted with I am just really disgusted with this individual and the blemish he puts on the AA community.

Summary Recap (very abridged version to save space):
Dec 14, 2002 replied to ad for AP finder bracket
Dec 17, sent certified funds to pay for item
Dec 24, emailed asking about shipment had not received
Dec 27, emailed again asked to check status
Dec 28, asked to check with USPS (we are in same state)
Dec 30, emails me saying he shipped to wait more time
Dec 31, I ask for proof of delivery
Dec 31, Leaves false and slanderous feedback on AstroMart alluding that I got item and am lying about it
Dec 31, I leave feedback indicating person is not willing to provide proof of delivery or accept responsibility
Jan 2, 2003 I post on AstroMart asking for advice with out using names guy goes nuts and emails me about a dozen times using slander, questioning my "manhood?" etc..
Jan 3, I guess shamed from AstroMart replies changes tone and asks for 30 days to file claim w/USPS
Jan 3, I agree to give him till Jan 20th to provide proof of delivery, refund money or send out product.
Jan 13, emails me asking if package ever arrived, NO
Jan 13, asks me to make out letter stating I never got and mail to him. I state I will gladly comply
Jan 20, My letter goes out
Jan 25, claims never got my letter
Jan 27, I send 2nd letter w delivery confirmation
Jan 30, USPS shows 2nd letter delivered
Jan 31, Guys claims never got letter although USPS shows delivered to his address???
Feb 03, I send 3rd letter certified
Feb 12, Letter sitting in his local post office unclaimed (here is USPS claim number 7002 0510 0000 5107 5308)
Feb 12, I again ask for my refund, proof of delivery or product
Feb 12, Guy emails saying "I have not gotten any mail from you, and if you have something signed please tell me who signed it. Since we both know that I never signed more did anyone at this address sign for anything from you"
"Tarnishing my rating, and now you want all of the money"
Feb 28, USPS returns my 3rd letter unclaimed.

If you read this far you must be as shocked as I am, how can a fellow AA be so down right deceitful and dishonest. I try to help him with his claim it is just a ploy on his part to play this thing out which ends up costing me even more money in postage and certified letter fees. So what do we do with these unscrupulous people that tarnish our hobby and great places like AstroMart?

So one more time what do we do to protect others from guys like this? Maybe we should put up a forum to post / air out problems in dealings or to flag AstroMart abusers? What do you think?
Posted 03/02/2003 05:21PM #1
OK, so you might consider whether this might be called mail fraud and if so, file that claim with the USPS; if this guy really did commit fraud the Feds will be after him.

Posted 03/03/2003 12:38AM #2
This is obviously a misunderstanding that has mushroomed out of control. The deal is between a seller with a 125 rating and a buyer with a rating of 9. A seller could not get a rating of 125 if he makes a habit of stiffing buyers and I think a rating or 9 for a buyer is good.

More than likely it is something like an address that was sent or transcribed in error. In a case like that, the item would not show up and neither party would know why. I wonder if they ever checked. In any case, feedback has been left and the mud is being thrown. IMO it appears that the seller can be less than cordial when there is a problem, but who knows who triggered what.

In any case, I don't think that there is any good reason that this problem needs to be posted TWICE in the Equipment Forum.

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