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Collimation. Can't see diffraction rings. Why?

Started by cdfratzog, 04/26/2009 03:08PM
Posted 04/26/2009 03:08PM Opening Post
OK here's the background. I'm a beginner, or amateur amateur as I like to call it. I have a Celestron C-9.25 on a CGEM. Both were purchased used (here on Astromart). I knew I was going to have to collimate this scope after it was shipped to me, so it was no surprise that saturn looked very blurry upon my first sighting. This was with clear skies with decent viewing, and very little light pollution. I knew it had to be done.

I got a few more EP's and a Barlow so I had more choices in magnifying power. So I have tried to collimate this thing several times now, but I'm having trouble with the diffraction rings. As in, I can't see them very well, and when I use the higher power EP's, it just gets more difficult beacause the rings get blurry and closer to the outer edge. The rings just don't seem to be appearing in a concentric pattern, and are poorly defined. This makes it impossible to use them to center the CO. It actually seems easier to center the obstruction shadow at low power since the edges are sharper. I have tried using the following EP's: Celestron E-lux 25mm Plossl. Baader Hyperion-Aspheric 36mm. Baader Hyperion 8mm MC. And, Celestron 8 to 24 Zoom (#93230). I've tried all of these with and without a Meade Series 5000, 2X TeleXender in place. All in a Celestron 2" Star Diagonal (#93527). This is all with stars of varying intensity (tried a bunch). I can see the rings slightly better on the infinity side of focus, but not well enough to use. I will say that the focus assy seems to be VERY sloppy on this unit, but a can still get a very fine focus with a light hand. One other observation. The eccentricity of the shadow seems more pronounced on one side of focus than on the other. I can't remember which though. I have tried this while wearing my contact lenses, with my glasses and without any correction at all. The problem seems to be consistent over these scenarios. So what's going on here? Is there something wrong with the scope, or is it something else? I'm at the end of my rope with this deal. :C
Posted 04/26/2009 04:20PM #1
Light pollution and sky clarity shouldn't hinder collimation efforts. Seeing (atmospheric stability) and tube thermal currents can. You didn't mention if you tried on "twinkling star" nights or how long you let you scope adjust to the outside temperature. Those could both effect what you're seeing.
I usually start on a bright star and defocus until I'm seeing a larger plain circle of light and the CO shadow. I then rough collimate until the CO is centered. Once I have a centered CO I then use a tighter focus until I see the fresnel rings and adjust from there. The final tweak is at focus using the airy disk and the true diffraction ring(s).
I don't recall ever having a problem at the first stage, even on bad nights.
You might have something more going here..a bad diagonal or an off center secondary holder. You check for the latter by using a fine marked ruler and measuring distance from the tube perimeter from several locations.
Larry