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Started by rtroxel, 01/11/2012 08:11PM
Posted 01/11/2012 08:11PM Opening Post
I am trying to locate some good technical information (and users' opinions) of Paracorrs. All I know is that they are supposed to eliminate the "coma" effect in low f-ratio scopes. One observer told me they are "mandatory" for use with any mirror under f5.

I searched Astromart forums for "Paracorr", but didn't find anything comprehensive enough. If someone could direct me to a web site or article, I would be most grateful!

Many thanks in advance,

Roy

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Posted 01/11/2012 09:18PM #1
Hi Roy,

I have never used a Televue Paracorr, but the following is from the Televue site.
http://www.televue.com/engine/TV3_page.asp?id=61&Tab=_con

Paracorr
Concept: I have built Newtonian reflectors since my high school days and still enjoy observing with Dobsonians. Knowing how the Nagler eyepiece complemented fast Dobsonians and Newtonians by removing eyepiece induced astigmatism, I now became intolerant of the inherent defect of coma in a parabolic mirror.

Paracorr — more stars, sharper stars, more time to observe.

In 1989 I decided to try to achieve the same field quality for parabolas as reached by my Nagler eyepiece and 4-element refractor designs. Existing coma correctors seemed to be limited in color correction, spherical aberration and convenience in use. Paracorr (parabola corrector) is completely color-free, center and edge, and installs like a Barlow. In 2009, we decided to greatly improve the correction with the Paracorr Type 2 design so that new, large, Dobs as fast as f/3 could become practical. Ladderless Dobs with larger fields herald a revolution. Read the reviews and story, The New Dobsonian Revolution, in Astronomy magazine. The new Paracorr Type-2 is a combination visual and imaging system designed by Paul Dellechiaie and our staff. Let the revolution begin. — Al Nagler


-Randy Diez
Posted 01/11/2012 09:34PM #2
Here are some links to Paracorr info (note that these are for the newest model of Paracorr):

http://www.televue.com/pdf/Paracorr_T2_spotsizes.pdf

http://astronomytechnologytoday.com/pdfs/files/Nov10-ATT%20pgs34-37%20Paracorr%202.pdf

At F5 I find a coma corrector pretty useful with wide field eyepieces. My personal experience with my 17.5" F5 dob has been that any eyepiece with a field stop diameter much larger than about 12 or 13mm will show an obvious image improvement when using a coma corrector. I once had a Vixen R200SS (8" F4) - with that scope a coma corrector was pretty much mandatory for a decent image. With the ever larger field of view eyepieces that are now available I think a Paracorr or other coma corrector is a worthwhile investment. Personally I use a Baader MPCC since it is much cheaper & lighter at about 3 or 4 ounces. It is kind of hassle to use though since it has to be threaded onto the eyepiece with an appropriate extension tube. I recently tried out my 17mm Ethos with the 17.5" F5 dob with an without the coma corrector. With the corrector stars were pinpoint right to edge - without it I got the sensation of a movie warp speed effect (stars at the edge are pretty stretched out).


Joplin
Posted 01/11/2012 11:07PM #3
Definitely mandatory with my f4.3 mirror. I like pinpoint stars out to the edges of my 100º eyepieces.
Posted 01/11/2012 11:16PM | Edited 01/11/2012 11:18PM #4
I use a Paracorr in an f4.5 18" Obsession. I wouldn't call it mandatory in that particular telescope, but if you enjoy taking in the entire field of view when looking through wide field eyepieces, it will certainly give you a more pleasing viewing experience. I used my telescope for several years without a Paracorr, but once I tried it, I no longer want to observe without one. Also, the Paracorr adds a barlowing effect, something like 1.3-1.5X I believe.

With the ultra fast mirrors that are so popular in big dobs these days, I don't see how anyone would want to try getting along without a Paracorr.

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Posted 01/14/2012 09:01AM #5
Roy Troxel said:

I am trying to locate some good technical information (and users' opinions) of Paracorrs. All I know is that they are supposed to eliminate the "coma" effect in low f-ratio scopes. One observer told me they are "mandatory" for use with any mirror under f5.

I searched Astromart forums for "Paracorr", but didn't find anything comprehensive enough. If someone could direct me to a web site or article, I would be most grateful!

Many thanks in advance,

Roy

Roy:

I have several Newtonians ranging in size from 3 inches to 25 inches. Several of them are in the F/4-F/5 range and I "always" use a Paracorr in a scope F/5 or faster. It is worth noting that coma is inherent in a parabolic mirror, a better quality mirror does not have less coma... It depends on the cube of the focal ratio. To understand the value of a coma corrector, one must first understand coma. While many have touched on the advantages of correcting coma at low powers with widefield eyepieces, I find it at least as important at high magnifications.

The diffraction limited or "coma free" field of a Newtonian can be calculated using the following formula:

CFf= 0.022 x F^3 x mm

Some numbers:

F/3 = 0.60mm
F/4 = 1.40mm
F/5 = 2.75mm
F/6 = 4.75mm
F/8 = 11.26mm

These are linear fields of view. It is obvious that there is a much larger coma free field of view at F/8 than at F/4. One also has to be careful here, "diffraction limited" means at that field, the coma degrades a perfect mirror (Strehl = 1.00) to "diffraction limited" (Strehl = 0.80), coma is there...

To compute a linear field of view to the angular field of view we are most used to, you divide by the focal length of the telescope and convert result from radians to degrees. For comparison purposes, I have used a 16 inch Newtonian as an example and included the "coma free field of view at 200x magnification:

F/3 = 1.6 arcminutes, @200x = 5.6 degrees AFoV
F/4 = 3.0 arcminutes, @200x = 9.9 degrees AFoV
F/5 = 4.7 arcminutes, @200x =15.5 degrees AFoV
F/6 = 6.7 arcminutes, @200x =22.3 degrees AFoV
F/8 =11.9 arcminutes, @200x =39.7 degrees AFoV

In your 12.5 inch F/5, the numbers look like this:

Coma free region = 4.7 arcminutes, @200x = 19.8 degrees AFoV

The first thing that is apparent is that coma free region is very small in a larger fast scope, at F/4, it is only 4 times the diameter of Jupiter, if Jupiter is not within the central 10 degrees of the eyepiece, the view is no longer "diffraction limited." With a tracking scope this is less of a problem but with a Dob and widefield eyepieces, it is tiny, tiny.

So, what does the coma actually look like when viewing a planet or double star? What all this means is that the sweet spot is small even with the best eyepieces. Whereas Naglers offer a very well corrected 82 degree field of view, the sweet spot is still only at the very center because of coma.

In the past, coma was not so apparent because the eyepieces of the time, Erfles, Konigs and the like were not "well corrected" in a fast telescope and so the off-axis eyepiece aberrations, primarily astigmatism, overwhelemed the coma so correcting coma was not of important.

But when the Nagler eyepieces that were corrected down to F/4 hit the market, all this suddenly changed, not only were the fields much wider, but the stars were round and sharp so coma now was the major aberration and it could be easily seen. And so Al Nagler took on the task of designing the Paracorr and making it a total solution.

What the Paracorr does is increase the diameter of the coma free field of view by a factor of 6 while adding a Barlow effect of 1.15x, this is huge... In your 12.5 inch F/5, this is what it does:

It increases the coma free field of view from 4.7 arcminutes to 24.5 arcminutes, or about 0.41 degrees, not much smaller than the field of view. If you own a 9mm Nagler, it increases the magnification from 176x to 203x and the coma free field from the central 17.5 degrees of the eyepiece to 104 degrees AFoV, this is greater than the 82 degree AFoV of the eyepiece, the sweet spot is now the entire field of view of the eyepiece.

At the eyepiece, the transformation is obvious, once only clean and sharp in the center of the field of view, is now at it's best nearly right up to the edge. And of course at low magnifications, the coma, most apparent as the stars with fan tails as one moves away is decreased by that factor of 6, the big widefields possible with eyepieces like the 31mm Nagler are now "refractor-like", sharp right up to the edge.

So... I hope this helps explain the reasons why those of us with fast Newtonians invest in a Paracorr to go along with a collection of Naglers and Ethos's. The first step are the eyepieces that are corrected to F/4, the finishing touch is a Paracorr, these go hand in hand and make today's fast Newtonians amazing performers.

Jon Isaacs




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