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Re: Naglers & Schiefspieglers & f/3.5?

Started by m87, 06/18/2006 02:39PM
Posted 06/18/2006 02:39PM | Edited 06/18/2006 02:43PM Opening Post
Herbert, Another interesting post.... some comments....

You are making too much of the F/3.5 light cone & eyepiece business. The F/20 Schief light cone, while 7 degrees off axis, is still F/20. It does not have the same eyepiece aberrations as a filled F/3.5 light cone, since only a tiny portion of the F/3.5 is illuminated. Below I will include a spot plot for an F/20 Schief with an old fashioned 6-element Erfle. All of the light is well within the Airy disk shown by the circle. Whats the problem? There is no problem.

In my next message I will post the same Erfle in an F/5 Dob. The performance of the Erfle in the F/5 Dob is similar (maybe a little worse) than the Schief. 1980's eyepieces killed the Schief no more than they killed the Dob.

I can report that Naglers work fine in Schiefs. But Erfles were fine too.

Next lets talk about size and weight. Whats your comparison scope? Lets compare apples and apples -- un-obstructed, apochromatic systems for planetary observing. An 8" F20 Schief is about 60 pounds and 68" long. A nice 8" F9 TMB APO refractor is 68 pounds and 65" long. Pretty similar.

Three mirrors? No more than your average SCT, Mak-Cass, Classical Cass + diagonal. I don't see this as a big deal.

So... bring out your Schiefs.... the waters fine....


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Posted 06/18/2006 02:44PM #1
Heres the spot plot for the same Erfle in an F5 Dob. About the
same as the Schief, maybe a little worse.

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Posted 06/18/2006 03:14PM | Edited 06/18/2006 03:17PM #2
John Biretta said:
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Next lets talk about size and weight. Whats your comparison scope? Lets compare apples and apples -- un-obstructed, apochromatic systems for planetary observing. An 8" F20 Schief is about 60 pounds and 68" long. A nice 8" F9 TMB APO refractor is 68 pounds and 65" long. Pretty similar.
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It's not really oranges and oranges. The f/9 APO would be a lot more versatile than an f/20 instrument.

A Schief is an interesting project, but I think there are better choices for most folks. I'd take a 10" f/6 or 7 Newt over an 8" Schief. In my experience, the press about Schiefs has been a bit more enthusiastic than their actual performance seems to warrant (although I continue to watch for them).

Clear skies, Alan

Clear skies, Alan