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Reflector design

Started by monkeybear, 10/10/2010 04:28PM
Posted 10/10/2010 04:28PM Opening Post
I am in the process of purchasing my first telescope. I have been told that a reflector is the way to go. Biggest bang for the buck! I have a lot of beginner questions I would like answered and thought I would try asking here. I have been involved in photography for over 25 years and would like to try astro-photography. Why are some newtonians "short tubes" which seem to also be a larger aperature. What is it that actually determines the aperature size? I have been looking at a Meade 10 inch f4 Newtonian on a Meade mount. In Canada this is called a LXD75 SN-10AT. Is this a good way to go or will I be disappointed and quickly wish I had purchased something else. I appreciate any help I can get.
Thank you
Posted 10/10/2010 09:56PM | Edited 10/10/2010 09:57PM #1
Drake Ward said:

I am in the process of purchasing my first telescope. I have been told that a reflector is the way to go. Biggest bang for the buck! I have a lot of beginner questions I would like answered and thought I would try asking here. I have been involved in photography for over 25 years and would like to try astro-photography. Why are some newtonians "short tubes" which seem to also be a larger aperature. What is it that actually determines the aperature size? I have been looking at a Meade 10 inch f4 Newtonian on a Meade mount. In Canada this is called a LXD75 SN-10AT. Is this a good way to go or will I be disappointed and quickly wish I had purchased something else. I appreciate any help I can get.
Thank you

Hi:

I am not much of a astrophotographer but I do know the basics and have a lot of experience with telescopes.

- Short tube Newtonians: This term is most often used for smaller Newtonians that use a fast spherical mirror and a barlow-like corrector to lengthen the focal ratio. Not a good design.

- For astrophotography, the most important equipment is not the camera, it's not the telescope, it's the mount. If the mount is not stable, if it vibrates and/or does not track accurately, it really doesn't matter how good the scope is or the camera. In a world where exposures last minutes and the target is moving at the rate of 1/4 degree per minute but resolutions are measured in terms of a few arc-seconds, a solid mount that precisely tracks is most important.

- Astronomers think in terms of focal length and objective diameter which we call aperture. Focal ratios are fixed so an F/4 is an F/4.

- Regarding the LXD-75... The problem here is that the scope is too big for the mount. People do some nice photography with mounts like the LXD-75 and the Celestron CG-5 ASGT but these are really "entry level" mounts they use much smaller scopes, typically an 80mm apochromatic refractor.

Such a combination is much more forgiving of tracking errors because of the shorter focal length of the scope as well as the size and weight, a good quality 80mm F/7 refractor might weigh 6 lbs, the SN-10 probably weighs more than 30 lbs.

A couple of more issues to consider. Reflectors typically need to have their optics aligned, collimated. This is not so easy if you are not familiar with the process. They also typically are sensitive to temperature, to get the good sharp images, they need to cool down, that takes a while.

A good site, is Jerry Lodriguss's astropix.com He has a lot of information, some nice photos as well as what amounts to a long tutorial:

http://astropix.com/HTML/I_ASTROP/TOC_AP.HTM

It may sound like I am not a big fan of reflectors but the truth is that I love Newtonians and I love refractors. I am aware each has a place, a role. In the Astrophotography world, apo refractors make imaging a lot easier.

Another site worth looking at if you want to get some ideas of what is available and what can be done is the www.astro-physics.com Astro-physics is Astromarter Roland Christen's company that has been at the forefront of astrophotography for 30 years. If you want a mount that can handle a 100 lb telescope and do it in the colds of antarctic, a scope that is about as perfect as it can be, A-P is the one.

Jon Isaacs

Posted 10/11/2010 09:45AM #2
I would suggest to start with a scope having shorter focal length.
It will tolerate poorer tracking, and likely be less frustrating
for a beginner. Have a look at the images at
http://www.meade.com/photogallery/lxd75_gallery.html
There are some nice ones with the 6" and 8" Schmidt-Newtonians in
that series (but none with the 10"!?).

Smaller scopes like an 80mm ED APO do quite well.
http://www.meade.com/photogallery/ed_gallery.html

Also, do not overlook other camera lenses you might already have.
Lots of nice images can be made with lenses 24mm to ~400mm range.
The camera and lens could be attached to an LXD75 mount
(with or without the main telescope).

Look around on different web sites, and see what equipment takes
photos you like.
Posted 10/11/2010 12:18PM #3
Drake,

Before you go buying anythng, be sure to visit a few star parties and see what these things look like up close. See how others use them.

If you are interested in astroimaging, you are best to start with a small refractor on a very good mount.

Alex