Oil vs. Air Spaced Tripletts

Started by Robert9375, 01/18/2006 01:21AM
Posted 01/18/2006 01:21AM | Edited 01/18/2006 01:36AM Opening Post
The following was borrowed from Roger Ceragioli's refractor web site; would anyone care to comment (e.g Roland, etc.)

"I have seen one 10" f/9 triplet from a commercial maker and it showed no visible color error. That is not to say, however, that the telescope gave a stellar performance. On the contrary, by introducing airgaps back into apochromatic lenses--which inevitably show strong internal curves--we bring back the old problems of the Zeiss B and Taylor triplets, namely their great sensitivity to temperature and to internal alignment. I was rather aghast to see the severe spherical aberration in the 10" lens, due to the falling temperature that night. Because of the great thickness and mass of the lens, as well as the fluor-crown's very high coefficient of thermal expansion and its insulted position in the middle of the lens, this $40,000US extravagent objective never performed as well that night as a decent 10" Newtonian would. My impression is that the owner found this true on other nights as well and lamented that the lens could not keep up with the falling temperature. Other examples of this type of instrument also show the same problem I am told by my optical acquaintances. So while the smaller lenses of this type in the 160mm range may be fine, it would appear to me that the makers of the larger lenses have overreached the limits of what triplet apos are capable of--at least the air-spaced variety. It is a shame that oiling, the revolutionary technical advance introduced by Wolfgang Busch and Roland Christen almost 30 years ago, has been abandoned. Oiled lenses even of rather large thickness show much more moderate variation of spherical aberration during cool-down in my experience. Perhaps the large air-spaced beasts will work well on tropical islands where the diurnal temperature variation is minimal. But people who live in temperate climates may wish to be careful of large air-spaced ED lenses."
Posted 01/18/2006 02:06AM #1
I have seen an 8" airspaced lens that performed well, but it was not winter. Large oil spaced lenses are quicker to cool down, but still take 1 - 2 hours to reach perfection.

I made one 8" airpaced triplet ED lens that is at Co7 in Maryland (Marty Cohen's shop). I know that it performed very well when we had it set up down in the Florida Keys, even when the temperature plummeted soon after the sun set, and almost all large Dobs were having the cooldown blues with tube currents and wandering plumes of hot air out the wazzoo.

I made a 10" triplet refractor with airspaced lens that resides in an observatory in Germany, and by all accounts performs very well with no cooldown issues.

There is a trick to getting a large airspaced triplet to stabilize in falling temperatures. Since this is a competitive business with everyone stealing from each other, I am not at liberty to reveal it. However, consider this: it is a well known myth that large Mak correctors take forever to cool down because they are so thick. That is absolute bunk. It ain't the corrector that causes Maks to not cool down, it is the way they are constructed.

Rolando
Posted 01/18/2006 11:37AM #2
we have quite a few owners of large airspacest ED Apos, 8", 9" and 10" in USA and all reporting stunning images. I self have a 12"F/12 at my backyard and it showed mars with detail not seen on any of the great images

So whatever experience Roger has, its diffrent from many others which are not less valuable

Markus

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