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Friday Night At Pinos

Started by Rod Kaufman, 03/01/2008 04:13PM
Posted 03/01/2008 04:13PM Opening Post
I decided to head up to Pinos Friday night because the clear sky clock predicted good conditions and moonrise wouldn't happen until 1:30 with the moon clearing the treeline at 2:00am.
The road to the parking lot is open with about three feet of snow covering the areas adjacent to the lot. One other amateur, a gentleman from the CN forum, was up there but only for a view of the mountain and he and his wife left at sundown.
It appeared I was going to be solo at Pinos which was just fine with me but, alas, it was not to be.
As darkness fell, I could easily discern the A and E stars in the trapezium in my 16" reflector with only 3rd magnitude stars visible in the deep twilight. The seeing was excellent and I thought to myself: "This is going to be a great night!"
Then, the herd of boyscouts arrived for "winter manuevers" as their scout master informed me when he asked me where the camground was located. The guy was dressed in a teeshirt and didn't have a clue about the location of the chula vista campground which is located a quarter of a click north of the parking lot. I thought to myself, "What do I look like, the shell answer man?
Anyway, I directed the geek and his freezing herd to the campground, told them to put on the cold weather gear and hunker down for the night.
I thought to myself, great I've got them safe, secure and out of my hair with their lanterns, flashlights and BS gear.
The sky was looking even better by then and I started my routine of picking off various galaxies from the Observer's Guide when two boatloads of amigos rolled into the lot and parked right next to me. Lights everywhere, blaring music, boxes of food but no stars. I thought to myself, "I'm outgunned ten to one, I don't have a flak jacket and my SUV isn't up-armored, what do I do?"
The next thing I know, I'm helping the little ones up the ladder to the eyepiece of my scope with a line of all ten, and I mean all ten, of the new arrivals for a look at Saturn, the double cluster, M42, M65 and so on. I thought to myself, "Maybe I should've set up on the Arizona border and offered them free looks at Mars on their way over!"
Anyhow, lights out, with ten happy amigos directed by me to the campground, right next to the boyscouts!
Finally, it was down to business and I felt I was being rewarded by a truly outstanding evening. The seeing was superb with occasional moments of subarc second viewing. I didn't see a lightdome on the horizons which I thought was odd and the dark sky meter was showing 21.85 at the zenith! I then realized I could pick off mag 6.5 plus stars visually and I suspected Los Angeles was being fogged-over.
But, my superb evening was not to be.
At 11:00 pm or thereabouts, two more boatloads of cousins arrived, in 4X4 pickups with all of the round lights on top of the them fully illuminating the parking lot.
More blaring music, lights, lights and more lights.
I watched them put up a huge tarp next to the parking lot and, as they unloaded their firewood, I uploaded my scope into my vehicle. There's not supposed to be any camping on the lot but I'm not the forest circus so I felt it was best to leave, intact. I have no idea what they were all doing up there but I the next time I go up to Pinos I expect to find a taco stand!
On my way home I found the reason for the exceptionally dark skies at Pinos: heavy fog was evident at Templin highway and beyond. I had to switch on my emergency blinkers so I could be seen and I was very concerned about hitting another vehicle so I slowed down and crawled through the pass.
Maybe I'll have better luck next week...
Posted 03/01/2008 06:40PM #1
Hey Rod-

It was really great to meet you up there... however, the rumors of my being a "gentleman" have been greatly exagerated! Nonetheless, we truly enjoyed our first ever trip to the hilltop, and will look forward to future (midweek?) ventures that direstion. Will attempt to leave the cousins behind!

Sorry to hear your event wound up co-scheduled with the circus. After we left, we met friends for dinner in FP, then afterwards headed back out ourselves in search of a little dark-sky viewing with my li'l "pop-gun" 66mm apo. Found a dirt-road turnout somewhere near Pinon Pines, where after a quick set-up we spent just a few minutes gawking at the beautiful nitetime sky! Had to be easily in excess of mag 6... the MW looked like a belt of fog ripping across the sky above Orion, and the Double Cluster looked (naked-eye) like i've seldom seen it! When you're accustomed to mag 5.x skies, this area is unreal!

Yet the steady wind was cold & cutting, our eyes watering so bad it was tough to see clearly thru the scope. Don't know what your air was like between visits from local "wildlife" up topside, but we weren't geared uo to last much of that. My gracious wife reminds me that her presence *might* have pooped the party a bit early, too.

But as Arnie always said "we'll be back!" Tee-shirts strictly applied as under-layers only... Thanks for the chat, the info, and the highly favourable eval form to Shell Inc. is in the mail!

Yours,
Mike B & wifely co-pilot, Deb
Posted 03/01/2008 09:41PM #2
Hi Rod,
Sorry to hear about your experience, but that is why I no longer go to Mt Pinos. In general I find it hard to do astronomy there, either people driving in at all hours or crowds roaming through the parking lot. This has gotten to me in the last few years and I am very tired of it.
I have join LAAS for the privacy of their site. It is not quite as dark as MT Pinos, but it has a good horizon and no problems with outsiders driving in or any of that stuff.
I just got my Star Membership and private pad with pier, so I am set! grin You are certainly welcome to come as my guest any time you like. Next Saturday is the star party there an if you like, just come on up if the weather is good and you will be my guest.
Here is my spot, so you would know where to find me.
I will be going there more as the weather improves and I will also be going there on, before and after the New Moon, even if it is mid-week. I plan on a few mid-week nights during the warm weather, those where the New Moon falls during the week before the star party weekend.
MT Pinos was once a great place for stargazers, but today it is getting far too crowded for this. I think that my days of going there are almost over, maybe one or two trips in a year, but no more than that.



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Posted 03/03/2008 05:47PM #3
Rod,

Although you may feel that your evening was "ruined" I thank you for being generous with your time, knowledge, and equipment and sharing the sky with those boy scout kids. I am sure that they have never seen the sky like it must have been that night - and then to get to view through a big scope at those bright objects must have blown their socks off!

You never know, you might have just passed on the "bug" to one of those little kids.

I do know how you feel about not being able to enjoy the night the way you had planned - and I feel for you - I get out maybe 2-3 times a year now and I wouldn't particularly want to spend it with newbies (but I would if I had to) and I hope your kindness and generosity will be paid back unto you with many more dark, clear, steady skies (maybe even without bright lights and non-observers wink )

You're always welcome to come up to Lockwood as my guest, my Dad Larry's guest, or Floyd's guest... may not be as dark a skies but at least we turn off white lights at dusk!!

Have a good day!

Jim 8)
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