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Global temperature anomaly +0.00° C

Started by hughbartlett, 07/03/2009 03:12PM
Posted 07/03/2009 03:12PM | Edited 07/06/2009 02:40PM Opening Post
Check this out for June 2009:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

Okay, it is the lower atmosphere, not surface temperature. But this is by satellite data, which is less prone to the vagaries in measurement technology that plague surface meassurements (urban heat island effects, etc.). The baseline is 1979-1998, the period of greatest surface warming, but if there is a greenhouse effect, it is in the atmosphere that it would be manifesting itself. There, the trend is basically flatlined over the last 30 years.

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Posted 07/08/2009 04:02PM | Edited 07/09/2009 03:42PM #1
According to this statistical analysis for averages up to 15 years, the trend is cooling, and that over 30 years the increase is 0.4 degree C per century, that is one tenth the UN computer model projections.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/07/uah-global-temperature-anomaly-hitting-the-slopes/#more-9160


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Posted 07/10/2009 03:01PM #2
Counterpoints at:

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v1/n6/abs/ngeo208.html

Nature Geoscience 1, 399 - 403 (2008)
Published online: 25 May 2008 | doi:10.1038/ngeo208

Subject Category: Climate science

Warming maximum in the tropical upper troposphere deduced from thermal winds

Robert J. Allen & Steven C. Sherwood

Abstract

Climate models and theoretical expectations have predicted that the upper troposphere should be warming faster than the surface. Surprisingly, direct temperature observations from radiosonde and satellite data have often not shown this expected trend. However, non-climatic biases have been found in such measurements. Here we apply the thermal-wind equation to wind measurements from radiosonde data, which seem to be more stable than the temperature data. We derive estimates of temperature trends for the upper troposphere to the lower stratosphere since 1970. Over the period of observations, we find a maximum warming trend of 0.65plusminus0.47 K per decade near the 200 hPa pressure level, below the tropical tropopause. Warming patterns are consistent with model predictions except for small discrepancies close to the tropopause. Our findings are inconsistent with the trends derived from radiosonde temperature datasets and from NCEP reanalyses of temperature and wind fields. The agreement with models increases confidence in current model-based predictions of future climate change.

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http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/troposphere-not-warming

Troposphere Not Warming

This is a common denialist/skeptic meme. The reality is that while there are significant complexities in the tropospheric measurements and models, homogenized analysis indicates that generally the troposphere is doing what is expected of it in accord with the various models and general expectations.
Troposphere Not Warming

Santer et al 2008 Fig. 6

Satellite measurements have had their problems and continued observation and modeling aids in correcting for aberrations, errors, and biases. Reasonably dealing with biases in data, and aberrations, are important to assessing the reasonability of a particular data set. This of course needs to be considered with other data sets and models. This is an inter-dynamic process, and continues to improve as more and more scientists examine the models and observations.

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http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/tropical-tropopshere-ii/

24 May 2008

Tropical tropospheric trends again

Back in December 2007, we quite heavily criticised the paper of Douglass et al (in press at IJoC) which purported to show that models and data were inconsistent when it came to the trends in the tropical troposphere. There were two strands to our critique: i) that the statistical test they used was not appropriate and ii) that they did not acknowledge the true structural uncertainty in the observations. Most subsequent discussion has been related to the statistical issue, but the second point is perhaps more important.

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http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/10/tropical-tropopshere-iii/

12 October 2008

Tropical tropospheric trends again (again)

— gavin @ 6:45 PM - (Italian)

Many readers will remember our critique of a paper by Douglass et al on tropical tropospheric temperature trends late last year, and the discussion of the ongoing revisions to the observational datasets. Some will recall that the Douglass et al paper was trumpeted around the blogosphere as the definitive proof that models had it all wrong.

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Hugh Bartlett said:

Check this out for June 2009:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

Okay, it is the lower atmosphere, not surface temperature. But this is by satellite data, which is less prone to the vagaries in measurement technology that plague surface meassurements (urban heat island effects, etc.). The baseline is 1979-1998, the period of greatest surface warming, but if there is a greenhouse effect, it is in the atmosphere that it would be manifesting itself. There, the trend is basically flatlined over the last 30 years.
Posted 07/10/2009 03:39PM #3
Hugh Bartlett said:
But this is by satellite data, which is less prone to the vagaries in measurement technology that plague surface meassurements (urban heat island effects, etc.).

I don't know if I'd say the satellite data is "is less prone to the vagaries in measurement technology" - it too has it's share of problems - stitching together data from multiple satellites, diurnal & orbital drift etc. Interestingly, the UAH interpretation (the set in your link) has undergone several re-dos, each time resulting in an increased trend.

The UAH interpretation also seems to suffer from some sort of seasonal oscillations that really shouldn't be there. If you take the average of each month's anomalies, there's almost 0.1 degree C from the high in February to the low in *June*. Here's a chart for you:

Posted 07/16/2009 08:18PM #4
Hugh Bartlett said:

Check this out for June 2009:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

Okay, it is the lower atmosphere, not surface temperature. But this is by satellite data, which is less prone to the vagaries in measurement technology that plague surface meassurements (urban heat island effects, etc.). The baseline is 1979-1998, the period of greatest surface warming, but if there is a greenhouse effect, it is in the atmosphere that it would be manifesting itself. There, the trend is basically flatlined over the last 30 years.

FWIW, this has been changing very fast such that Roger Pielke, Jr. called July 14th "The Warmest Day Ever" in the UAH dataset
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/07/warmest-day-ever.html

You can play with current UAH numbers here and see how quick it has been going up
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps+002

Looks like the El Nino is picking up very fast.