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Started by Dodi, 03/22/2003 09:28AM
Posted 03/22/2003 09:28AM Opening Post
Bombing a country which obviously militarily is quite defenseless apart from a few rusted missiles. I am disgusted by it. At least BBC did show civilian victims, women and children last night so we can see something else than the "shock and awe" fireworks hurray news on CNN.

PS. Once again, I do not back SH at all, and he had better leave and even brought to trial for human rights violation, but there were other means. And if it will be a victory for the so-called allies, it is a victory of shame only. The worst thing that can happen to the US and its allies is that Iraq does not use any chemical and biological weapons (provided they still have them). That way the population in the Arab world will definitely see Iraq as a victim of Western aggression, and the world will have gained in instability again.

Please guys over there, if you vote your next president, vote for someone with more capabilities like Powell, not someone who in pure macho style goes to his holiday home while people die overseas.

The good thing is that at least it's obvious not all the American people support this war, be it that hundreds got arrested in the land of freedom for blocking a few crossroads.

My 0.02 Euro

D.
Posted 03/22/2003 04:53PM #1
Dominigue,

I assure you that President Bush does not have the complete backing of American citizens for all his actions. I agree with Jim Lacey that now we are there, we need to finish the job. I have not been in favor of invasion without massive U.N. approval and participation. Personally I think this issue should have been addressed as soon as nations realized Saddam was not going to abide by post Gulf War stipulations. I think President Clinton failed to push it as far as Bush because he realized he would not obtain the international backing needed.

Bush has simply bulled ahead somewhat unmindful of the importance of getting along with our allies and other nations. Unfortunately, this will come back to haunt us for years to come. As for the U.N., I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that this is a world body excellent in its international relief efforts but rather incompetent when it comes to the really hard decisions. Serbia is a prime recent example.

As for the U.S. ongoing response to worldwide terrorism I do not apologize for our forwardness on this subject. Saddam may have been dubiously sucked up into the terrorist support arguement but I don't feel sorry for him. Diplomacy aside, I think a very cynical perspective on our new war against Saddam is that it is something we are finally doing because we can get away with it. Iran & North Korea are not the pushovers that Iraq is.
Posted 03/22/2003 05:12PM #2
Maybe we can elect a man like Chirac, who helped Saddam build his nuclear reactor, sold him arms in violation of the U.N. sanctions and made oil deals in order to profit from the suffering of the Iraqi people.

As for our current President's capabilities, he appears to be far more capable than current European leadership, who are reduced to impotent hand-wringing and useless gestures.

My plea to Europe is to please choose leaders who are men of decency and principle, instead of cynical, greedy, elitist snobs who would gladly sell their mothers into a harem in exchange for an oil or arms contract with a dictator.

Aquote from the Guardian (UK):

Ajami Saadoun Khlis, whose son and brother were executed under the Saddam regime: "You just arrived," he said. "You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious. I want to say hello to Bush, to shake his hand. We came out of the grave."

Maybe someday this poor soul will want to shake a European leader's hand...but I doubt it.

P.S. Here's a pic of an evil U.S. soldier oppressing an innocent Iraqi child by forcing the poor kid to take some M& M's....how cruel.



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Posted 03/22/2003 05:17PM #3
Man, thats bad. You make it sound like an adult attacking a child. So tell us, what would have been the right thing do?? "victim of Western aggression" you say. So quick have so many forgot about 9/11. Ill never forget seeing the Fuc&%@$ dancing in the streets over there. The US millitary does an excellent job of dodging innocent victims, and making so much progress at the same time. If it were SH, or NK theyd just Nuke everyone innocent or not, and people want to defend this??????
Tony.
Posted 03/23/2003 02:41AM #4
"At least BBC did show civilian victims, women and children last night so we can see something else than the "shock and awe" fireworks hurray news on CNN."

Those were victims of Iraqi "anti-aircraft fire" Note that there have been no "victims" since the anit-aircraft fire ceased. The same thing happens when you see idiots in these third-world riots shoot off weapons into the air. People die when they get hit on the head with a bullet - or anti-aircraft ordnance.


Posted 03/23/2003 08:44PM #5
Dominique,

Coailition bombing can be repaired, The death and distruction of the soul, speicializations of Saddam are not. He broke his people to fear him. We will soon hear how Saddam held captive his population.

There will be innocent casualties, as in any event, war or no war, but the long term beneifit will be of this action
will be benefit to the Iraq people.

There is no other way, we will probably hear, "what took you so long". If we had done this in the aerly 90's, 100's of thousands of people would be alive today.

Delay was a comfort for Saddam, and a curse for his subjects. I can see many Iraq children living in hope for the benefit of all, instead of fear, for the single glorification of a demon made flesh.

"W" will make to world a better place in the long run, but the road is a long one.

I will also note the Failure of European Foriegn policy.
This generation of Americans, must fix the failure of past European policy. I can certainly understand your fear of confrontation.

The first Step towards failure is trying. - Homer Simpson