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Surprise, Surprise: Trump's Tariffs Fail To Produce US Manufacturing!

Started by Rod Kaufman, 07/11/2025 03:11PM
Posted 07/12/2025 07:59PM #10
Originally Posted by Richard Davis


Just like you and the rest of the left do.  You do it every day, so look in the mirror.  

At least I can defend my statements.  I proved you to be a liar and you went on a 3 in a row tirade, trying to defend your lies.

Too bad you failed miserably James.

Haha. You and your facts and your proofs are hilarious. You didn't "prove" anything other than that your overconfidence is your weakness. What you did is what you always do: misrepresent what was said, then pat yourself on the back like you won a prize. If you had a solid argument to make, you wouldn't need to twist the truth constantly and resort to personal attacks and logical fallacies. We all know you can't see yourself objectively, and most of us struggle with it, but your total lack of ability is truly legendary. You certainly don't get any better at it by wholesale rejection of the observations of others and a cocksure attitude that you are always correct.
Posted 07/13/2025 02:23AM #11
Originally Posted by James Lacey


Haha. You and your facts and your proofs are hilarious. You didn't "prove" anything other than that your overconfidence is your weakness. What you did is what you always do: misrepresent what was said, then pat yourself on the back like you won a prize. If you had a solid argument to make, you wouldn't need to twist the truth constantly and resort to personal attacks and logical fallacies. We all know you can't see yourself objectively, and most of us struggle with it, but your total lack of ability is truly legendary. You certainly don't get any better at it by wholesale rejection of the observations of others and a cocksure attitude that you are always correct.


Sure I did, and of course that is why you can't refute it and wrote screed after screed trying to spin your way out of your lies, but then isn't that what you always do James?  wink

Here, we can go over it again, and rehash what we established earlier.

1.  You got angry because I pointed out that You and the rest of the leftists here were making claims that the
Stock Markets were going to crash and that the Donald Trump economy was going to tank and that he was going to Destroy the economy.

2.  You then called me out as having lied about your assertions, and accused me of putting words in your mouth, which I did nothing of the sort.

3.  I then went through your postings for about a 2 minute Period and found your exact words you wrote to Russ Carroll whereby you claimed JUST THAT, saying that because of the tariffs Trump was going to put in place on other countries, it was going to DESTROY the economy even more than he already had.

4.  When I posted YOUR exact words, there was no way You could deny it. Now you made a claim that I was making up bullshit about you, and that You never said what I claimed you said.  Of course you do this all the time James, where you deny your very words.

 5.  So now you're getting angrier and angrier with each post, but I'm owning You James by posting facts that you can't refute.  You are so pissed off that now you are placing qualifiers on WHY you made your absurd radical leftist claims that the economy is being destroyed.

Funny thing is that the economy is going along great now, with money coming in from tariffs as well as the Inflation being nearly non-existent under Donald Trump.  The unemployment rate has dropped and is at 4.1%.  Jobs are growing and did so last month more than the predicted numbers by the Feds.  Donald Trump took it to Iran, and they have thrown in the towel.  The border down south is essentially closed when Joe Biden said that he couldn't close the border.  I guess you learned how to lie from Joe Biden, eh James?  Everything is MILES Better under Trump.  Deal with it.  The country is getting back to normalcy.  Too bad for you.  smile
Posted 07/13/2025 01:07PM #12
Originally Posted by Richard Davis



Sure I did, and of course that is why you can't refute it and wrote screed after screed trying to spin your way out of your lies, but then isn't that what you always do James?  wink

Here, we can go over it again, and rehash what we established earlier.

1.  You got angry because I pointed out that You and the rest of the leftists here were making claims that the
Stock Markets were going to crash and that the Donald Trump economy was going to tank and that he was going to Destroy the economy.

2.  You then called me out as having lied about your assertions, and accused me of putting words in your mouth, which I did nothing of the sort.

3.  I then went through your postings for about a 2 minute Period and found your exact words you wrote to Russ Carroll whereby you claimed JUST THAT, saying that because of the tariffs Trump was going to put in place on other countries, it was going to DESTROY the economy even more than he already had.

4.  When I posted YOUR exact words, there was no way You could deny it. Now you made a claim that I was making up bullshit about you, and that You never said what I claimed you said.  Of course you do this all the time James, where you deny your very words.

 5.  So now you're getting angrier and angrier with each post, but I'm owning You James by posting facts that you can't refute.  You are so pissed off that now you are placing qualifiers on WHY you made your absurd radical leftist claims that the economy is being destroyed.

Funny thing is that the economy is going along great now, with money coming in from tariffs as well as the Inflation being nearly non-existent under Donald Trump.  The unemployment rate has dropped and is at 4.1%.  Jobs are growing and did so last month more than the predicted numbers by the Feds.  Donald Trump took it to Iran, and they have thrown in the towel.  The border down south is essentially closed when Joe Biden said that he couldn't close the border.  I guess you learned how to lie from Joe Biden, eh James?  Everything is MILES Better under Trump.  Deal with it.  The country is getting back to normalcy.  Too bad for you.  smile

I’m not angry, and you’re not capable of making me angry, and just because you keep repeating the same mischaracterization of Trump’s tariff history and twisting what was said and why doesn’t make you right.

The following has been explained over and over, but you keep ignoring it. There’s a difference between being wrong and lying. By your standard, you’d be the worst liar here. You’ve made plenty of predictions about the collapse of America at the hands of leftists, socialists, or whoever your imaginary enemy is that week. None of them came true. Take your recent obsession with Zohran Mamdani, for example. You’ve been pushing a bunch of wild claims about him that come from right-wing propaganda. I’m confident none of it will happen, and by your definition, that makes you a liar, too.

One thing you consistently leave out is that Trump hasn’t been consistent on tariffs. You act like his policies were rock solid when in reality, they changed constantly. At the time these so-called “lies” were told, no one could have predicted he would backtrack as much as he did. His approach was unpredictable and all over the place. Markets and other countries have largely tuned him out because they know his tariff policies are not sustainable. Even many conservatives wish he would move on from it, since the policies don’t work and only make the GOP look worse.

I don’t expect you to acknowledge any of this, because nothing you’ve said so far suggests you’re interested in honest discussion. You seem entirely committed to your narrative and assume you’re right by default. That’s not how facts work, but that’s how you operate.
Posted 07/13/2025 05:52PM | Edited 07/14/2025 01:06AM #13
Originally Posted by James Lacey


I’m not angry, and you’re not capable of making me angry, and just because you keep repeating the same mischaracterization of Trump’s tariff history and twisting what was said and why doesn’t make you right.

The following has been explained over and over, but you keep ignoring it. There’s a difference between being wrong and lying. By your standard, you’d be the worst liar here. You’ve made plenty of predictions about the collapse of America at the hands of leftists, socialists, or whoever your imaginary enemy is that week. None of them came true. Take your recent obsession with Zohran Mamdani, for example. You’ve been pushing a bunch of wild claims about him that come from right-wing propaganda. I’m confident none of it will happen, and by your definition, that makes you a liar, too.

One thing you consistently leave out is that Trump hasn’t been consistent on tariffs. You act like his policies were rock solid when in reality, they changed constantly. At the time these so-called “lies” were told, no one could have predicted he would backtrack as much as he did. His approach was unpredictable and all over the place. Markets and other countries have largely tuned him out because they know his tariff policies are not sustainable. Even many conservatives wish he would move on from it, since the policies don’t work and only make the GOP look worse.

I don’t expect you to acknowledge any of this, because nothing you’ve said so far suggests you’re interested in honest discussion. You seem entirely committed to your narrative and assume you’re right by default. That’s not how facts work, but that’s how you operate.


No, I haven't mischaracterized anything about Trump's tariffs.  

I simply once again ask you for evidence to back up your assertion.

Go ahead and explain MY Mischaracterization, what I've said that was false about his tariffs.

Not to worry James, because all you ever have is to make unfounded accusations. 

I'll check back to watch you provide what I've said that mischaracterizes his tariffs.

Failure is becoming your middle name James, so don't feel to bad when you once again fail.  smile