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Started by ozprof, 05/26/2020 08:23AM
Posted 05/29/2020 01:46AM | Edited 05/29/2020 01:48AM #10
Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

Jim, if the CO governor ordered that everyone wear a mask outside, would you do so?
Supplementary question for everyone.

If the Governor pointed out that all the science shows that transmission is significantly reduced when everyone is wearing a mask for both stopping you from getting infected  and for stopping you from infecting another person (note that you can be asymptomatic for up to 8 days...) , that it is, therefore, an excellent idea* to wear a mask when you are near other people would you wear a mask? Say at Costco or walking down Main Street where there are others....

*As opposed to an order?

Dave
Posted 05/29/2020 02:11AM #11
Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

Jim, if the CO governor ordered that everyone wear a mask outside, would you do so?
Hi Darian:

So far, our governor has been reasonable.  He has not (and I don't think he would) order us to wear masks outside, unless he had real evidence on hand that outdoor mask wearing would be helpful.  If he ordered outdoor mask wearing, I'd certainly take a look at his reasoning and make a decision accordingly.  

That being said, if I were hiking around in the mountains with my wife, I can not imagine wearing a mask, no matter what the orders were.  I might have a mask on hand in case a ranger came up though!  ermm

If I were at an event like the usually very crowded Sunday farmer's market near our place in Denver, I would happily wear a mask if mandated.  I might even wear one if not mandated, if the market is as crowded as usual this summer.  I understand that it will be opening this Sunday.

Side note - my younger son just graduated with an engineering degree and, I am thrilled to say, landed a job in South Dakota.  As you can imagine, the entry level new job market is all but gone.  We traveled by car to SD last weekend to look for apartments.  Very few people were wearing masks in SD, except for grocery store and food-service staff.  I had my mask, but was happy to not wear it, since no one else was.  Hypocrisy?  Maybe, but when in Rome....

Only a few restaurants were open for indoor dining, but those that were open had widely spaced tables.   The grocery store we went into had arrows and shields, just like the ones in Denver.  The clerks were masked.  It all seemed quite like Denver, except for a lot less citizens wearing masks. 

Jim
Posted 05/29/2020 02:19AM | Edited 05/29/2020 02:31AM #12
Originally Posted by David Cotterell

Supplementary question for everyone.

If the Governor pointed out that all the science shows that transmission is significantly reduced when everyone is wearing a mask for both stopping you from getting infected  and for stopping you from infecting another person (note that you can be asymptomatic for up to 8 days...) , that it is, therefore, an excellent idea* to wear a mask when you are near other people would you wear a mask? Say at Costco or walking down Main Street where there are others....

*As opposed to an order?

Dave
Hi Dave:

My understanding is that there is no mask order in Colorado.  The "Safer at Home" FAQ states:  "Colorado is asking everyone to wear a non-medical cloth face covering while out in public for necessary activities like grocery shopping, going to work or walking your dog. Please make or buy a cloth covering that will cover your mouth and nose and use it whenever you are outside your own house or yard. Scarves and bandannas will work as coverings. Wash your face covering regularly."

Some of the grocery stores have "No Mask, No Entrance" signs though, presented in a friendly way.

So, for me and my family, we are voluntarily complying when shopping or doing anything indoors (outside of the house), and voluntarily ignoring the request when outside in an uncrowded place.   Frankly, we have not been to a crowded outdoor venue yet.  This seems to be the majority position among Coloradans, although a minority wear masks outside and a minority refuse to wear them shopping.

Jim




p.s.  Upon further review, I have confirmed that the CO mask request is a request, not a requirement.  Ultimately, I think this is a good move by our governor.  An order might decrease participation because of the backlash against these sorts of orders.

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Posted 05/29/2020 04:51AM #13
Originally Posted by David Cotterell

Supplementary question for everyone.

If the Governor pointed out that all the science shows that transmission is significantly reduced when everyone is wearing a mask for both stopping you from getting infected  and for stopping you from infecting another person (note that you can be asymptomatic for up to 8 days...) , that it is, therefore, an excellent idea* to wear a mask when you are near other people would you wear a mask? Say at Costco or walking down Main Street where there are others....

*As opposed to an order?

Dave

Given the current information I do wear one when I am indoors where others outside of family are likely to be close (for instance the grocery store) and I would as already stated do so outdoors were I in a gathering where proximity was an issue. I dont need an order to use common sense. However I was never in the military and the primary reason I was not is I dont take orders well.....in fact I openly oppose being ordered to do pretty much ANYTHING......just not in my nature.

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Posted 05/29/2020 09:15PM #14
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

What has given me a glance into the mind of the freaks out in the Democrat land of liberalism is how you and yours peddle conspiracy theories on a day by day basis, and then think they are insightful by stating the most lunatic of loony theories one after the next. 

So Doc, did you consult with the other doctor whom you claim is giving Trump placebo pills and telling him they are HCQ?  

Any evidence for this or did you simply have a flashback from a hallucinogenic Acid Trip from years ago and then decide to blurt it out here on the forum?   

My guess is the latter.  Either that, or you finally went more bonkers than you have been in recent decades.

If one rang your doorbell and you answered, would they see this?  
Hi Rich:

How could you reply and not even acknowledge Jim's funny Joe Scarborough retort!  And then to double down as if the left had cornered the market on loony conspiracy theories?  Breathtaking.

Jim
Posted 05/29/2020 09:19PM #15
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Why do we need to entertain fantasy scenarios from you?  The science is not showing that wearing a mask proves that transmission or reception is significantly reduced by wearing a mask.  

And be specific.  What is "ALL the science"?  That platitude seems to be a favorite among leftists who dismiss virtually every bit of scientific evidence that doesn't agree with the agenda they want to push this month.  

Supposition and conjecture isn't science, nor is science based upon majority rule. 

Did your governor or equivalent tell you this?  Is he a doctor or just parroting what some 'scientist' told him, and a cherry picked one at that?

When the left and others who are all over the map come to a definite agreement based upon sound evidence, then maybe you'll have something there.  

Until then, guessing games don't cut it.  

Destroying an economy based upon conjecture isn't cutting it either.  

More knee-jerk responses and orders aren't cutting it either.  
Rich:

I'm curious how many dead you would guess the US would have now, if we had undertaken no mitigation efforts.  As you like to say, be specific.

J
Posted 05/31/2020 03:19AM #16
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I don't play guessing games the way you do, as the facts are that nobody can possibly know even you, Oh Great Oracle.

I  do know how much the suicide hot lines have increased in their phone calls though.  The reports are that the increases are 10 fold.  

Care to discuss that?  

I know that many businesses are closing for good in the USA. How many jobs will be lost forever there?

Care to discuss that?

I know that many thousands of restaurants will go under for good because of the Corona virus lockdowns mandated by gov't bureaucrats.  

Care to discuss that?  

Well known pediatricians have written articles in medical journals saying that the damage to children due to keeping them out of school  because of this Corona Virus lockdown could be long lasting.  

Care to discuss that?  

I know that Doctors are being given orders by their bosses to list Corona virus deaths when they weren't comfortable calling them Corona virus deaths which necessarily Inflated the numbers of deaths CAUSED by Corona Virus.

Care to discuss that?  (Don't worry, I've already been told by you that even thinking that is tantamount to being an Obama birther)

The CDC came out with numbers that show Corona virus deaths are nowhere near the initial estimates that it would kill 3.4 out of every 100 people that contracted the virus.  It turns out that the death toll is less than 1/10 of that number on the order of 2.6 people out of every 1000 (not 100).

Care to discuss that?  

Florida has 2 Million MORE people than NY State, yet they have 1/12 the number of deaths that NY state has.  NY state has 30,000 deaths.  Florida has 2500. 

Care to discuss that?  Why don't you explain that, so that we can all get an idea into your brilliance when you imply that the lockdowns saved all kinds of lives.

If they did, explain the discrepancy there.  

You have a one-track mind of "How many would have had if we had not mitigated" because it not only strokes your ego and supports your statement a few months back saying "It Is Worth It", when you had NO idea whether or not it was Worth It.

We will know YEARS from now whether or not it was Worth It.

P.S. Anthony Fauci and the CDC have changed their minds more than I change my socks.  

Fully 30% of all the deaths were at Nursing homes. 

The CDC told us that you could get from hard surfaces.  Then the CDC changed their minds on that.  

Take out those numbers and you get a severe year of the Flu.  

Care to discuss any of those issues above, which do not fit your narrative that the lockdowns and destruction of the economy was "Worth It"?  

Oh, and I forgot to add, I'm just curious..

P.P.S.

One last thing counselor, I neglected to mention that there could be a REASON that NY State has SO many deaths due to Corona Virus.

Would you like to hear my theory, because my guess is that you'll discount it as being on a par with believing in Bigfoot.

But here goes anyway.  

My thoughts have been for some months now that many patients in NY were denied HCQ, Z-Pac, and Zinc which may have kept them from getting well, which in turn may have caused many needless deaths, for we will never know if they could have been saved by the Trio of drugs above, because Cuomo wouldn't let them have those drugs.

Here's an article about it:

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/governor-cuomo-denying-new-yorkers-hydroxychloroquine.html/

Care to discuss that?  
Dr Vuong cares to discuss it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCI1RgFWhZI
Posted 05/31/2020 05:23AM #17
"Who in hell has compared the death rate of 100K to 335 Million?"
I've seen that right here in the forum, ie the total Covid19 deaths compared to the total population.
You'll see all sorts of this sort of crap from Trumptoids:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/07/trump-death-toll-coronavirus-241819
And "From what's Up with That", posted:
"100,000 virus death / 331,002, 651 U.S. population = .000302115 Not bad at all."
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/27/paris-agreement-architect-governments-are-failing-to-protect-citizens-from-covid-19-climate-change/
Posted 05/31/2020 05:53AM #18
"I don't care what some idiots out there are saying about the death rate, and No, nobody here is saying that the death rate is 0.0003."
"P.S. Do you care to address the other 328 Million people in the US that your idiot Dr. Vuong has completely ignored in coming up with his moronic death rate?"
Lol!!!
Posted 05/31/2020 06:52AM #19
Is this your way of saying "no, I'm too stupid to discern the numbers and I still think that the death rate is 18% to 24%"?
LOL!!!