Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

That link is NOT in this thread dumbass lol

And right here (from the article you cited) "“Magazines are an accessory to firearms, rather than a specific type of firearm,” Immergut said. “At the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification through to the late nineteenth century, firearm accessories like cartridge boxes – which held ammunition but, unlike modern magazines, did not feed the ammunition into firearms – were not considered ‘arms’ but instead were considered ‘accouterments,’” the ruling said."

This is where the premise falls flat.....I cited 3 cases where that simply isnt true and have more as well. One of them held upto 11, another 20 and another 30 rounds and absolutely fed the rounds into the firearm. All three predated the ratification of the 2nd by 10 to 100+ years.

You mentioned you wanted me to give my input to this thread as you realized I had applicable knowledge....well, you got it LOL

Like I said, you need to read the posts in the FORUM that you participate in. 
That said, I'm going with the ruling of the court and not your opinion of what you think it ought to be...

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

The link you added was NOT in the thread we were discussing it in dumbass..... I did however read it when you added it and as I said the judge based his opinion on false information and therefore would not stand up to a challenge were it to be challenged. Of course I already knew you would not admit it which is why I rarely pursue a discussion with you......

The link is in the FORUM that you regularly follow and/or participate in so start reading 'em!
If your ideas about what was standard issue for anybody back in the times that Clarence thinks are relevant to today then the NRA, who brought the challenge to the Oregon law, would have known about it and advanced it as an argument and if it were legit it would have made a difference. Obviously,  your explanation of whatever arms/magazines that *might* have been available isn't relevant and doesn't amount to a hill of beans, as usual...

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll

Take the win, Rod. This is a very reasonable position that many gun owners would object to. I'm not thrilled with a 10 round limit, but I accept it as law in CA. Like Greg, I'm willing to compromise on these issues.

Just an aside, I've been in US forestry land camping quite a bit off the beaten path, and I am very grateful that open carry is the law on US public lands like this. You are your own police force and animal control in the bush.

Hmm, first, I do take "the win" since it represents a reasonable and rational approach to a critical issue. Ditto for the background checks that are also part of "the win." And you're right, many gun owners, via the NRA, would needlessly object to it based upon the nonsensical position that someone is eventually going to come and get your guns. 
As far as your aside is concerned, that's fine as long as you don't mistake me or someone else in the bush for some sort of perceived threat and start blasting away in much the same way deer hunters mistake other people for deer...

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Damn, you really are a dumbass arent you? LOL.....So you want to scold me for not knowing about a link you posted in another thread different from the one we were discussing in??????

And yes, the info I provided directly contradicts the premise put forth in YOUR link that such high capacity magazines did not exist at the time the 2nd amendment was ratified. They are not my "ideas" just verifiable facts LOL

Here is a thought dumbass.....You should take Russ'es advice and take the win in the sense that "I" as an avid gun supporter told you I am not particularly concerned about a 10 round limit and while I am not particularly enthralled with the idea am willing to accept it in the spirit of compromise instead of twisting and turning over it as you are doing.....

The NRA should have called you as an expert witness since their own obviously failed. They NRA will probably appeal it to SCOTUS so perhaps you'll still have a crack and a pop at it. Why don't you contact the NRA and offer your services? Perhaps you could appear as a friend of the court with your factual and unbiased information? Maybe you'll bump into Clarence Thomas at a local Walmart since he likes RVing in them, sit around the rigs chewing the fat and get to talking about early firearms and US history. What a wonderful opportunity for two, unbiased souls to meet and greet!

“Guess who I just pulled over,” the officer says to an unnamed person on the phone."

“The chief deputy, driving a f**cking Dodge Charger. A souped-up Dodge Charger belonging to the sheriff’s office. I just clocked this son b*tch at 96 in a 35,” he continues."

“Should I write him?” he asks the person on the phone."


"When he is told that it is his stop and his decision, the officer responds, “Well – you know I don’t care for him. So, I’m going to write his ass.”

"After reviewing the facts of the incident, I suspended the Chief Deputy for forty hours without pay for the severity of the traffic citation.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/13/us/georgia-county-chief-deputy-pulled-over/index.html

So which candidate by far, raised the most in campaign contributions thus far? And most of it, BTW,  by small donor donations?
Joe Biden, of course!
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4098505-winners-and-losers-from-the-second-fundraising-quarter/
Looks like the MAGA folks don't put their money where their fists, er ah, I mean where their mouths are...

"A federal judge in Oregon ruled on Friday that a new state gun law does not violate the US Constitution, keeping one of the toughest gun laws in the country in place."

"US District Court Judge Karin Immergut ruled that Ballot Measure 114’s restrictions on large-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are constitutional because these magazines are “not commonly used for self-defense, and are therefore not protected by the Second Amendment.”


"It also closes the “Charleston Loophole,” which allows gun purchases to move forward by default after three days even if a background check has not been completed. The law also requires state police to complete background checks on individuals before a gun sale or transfer is made."

"Magazines are an accessory to firearms, rather than a specific type of firearm,” Immergut said. “At the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification through to the late nineteenth century, firearm accessories like cartridge boxes – which held ammunition but, unlike modern magazines, did not feed the ammunition into firearms – were not considered ‘arms’ but instead were considered ‘accouterments,’” the ruling said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/16/politics/oregon-large-capacity-gun-law-ruling/index.html

Stick that one up your craw, Clarence!...

" Lawyers for Kari Lake and Mark Finchem who filed a lawsuit attempting to ban the use of voting machines prior to the November 2022 election and were found to have “acted at least recklessly,” were ordered to pay $122,000, according to a ruling Friday by Arizona U.S. District Court Judge John Tuchi."
https://ktar.com/story/5516838/alan-dershowitz-other-lawyers-for-kari-lake-and-mark-finchem-ordered-to-pay-sanctions/

Also see:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ_A-alN4z8

"Republican senators say they’re worried that conservative populism, though always a part of the GOP, is beginning to take over the party, becoming more radical and threatening to cause them significant political problems heading into the 2024 election."  

"GOP senators are saying they’re being increasingly confronted by constituents who buy into discredited conspiracy theories such as the claim that Democrats stole the 2020 presidential election or that federal agents incited the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. "


“We should be concerned about this as Republicans. I’m having more ‘rational Republicans’ coming up to me and saying, ‘I just don’t know how long I can stay in this party,’” said Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska). “Now our party is becoming known as a group of kind of extremist, populist over-the-top [people] where no one is taking us seriously anymore."

"Romney, who was the GOP nominee for president in 2012 before Trump took over the party four years later, last year called Greene and Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) “morons” for speaking at a white nationalist event in Florida.'

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4098609-gop-senators-rattled-by-radical-conservative-populism/

"The Georgia Supreme Court Monday declined to take up an effort from former President Donald Trump to quash an investigation into his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in the state."
"The unanimous decision from the court’s nine justices was swiftly delivered just days after Trump’s legal team asked the court Friday to block an investigation by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D)."
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4102330-georgia-supreme-court-denies-trump-big-to-quash-fulton-co-investigation/
That didn't take long...