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July 14, 2024 03:45 PM Forum: Politics

What rhetoric caused the violence that caused an Assassination attempt on Trump? Probably those who call him Hitler and say he's a threat to Democracy

Posted By Rod Kaufman

It appears Don' Jr's choice for Trump's running mate JD Vance, who very well may be his VP pick, had this to say about Trump:

“I go back and forth between thinking Trump might be a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he might be America’s Hitler,” Vance wrote,  “How’s that for discouraging?”

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/jd-vance-trump-hitler-rcna24981

I don't see Rich or Greg having a problem with that...

PS: According to the news reports, the shooter was a registered Republican, too...

July 14, 2024 04:30 PM Forum: Politics

What rhetoric caused the violence that caused an Assassination attempt on Trump? Probably those who call him Hitler and say he's a threat to Democracy

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll


Both Bush’s and Reagan were constantly called Hitler by the left. As mature leaders, they never lashed out against it and certainly didn’t wish their supporters would break the law and beat them up.
"'No Blame?' ABC News finds 54 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults."
"President Donald Trump insists he deserves no blame for divisions in America".

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889

Read the comments from the perps themselves...

PS: I doubt either Rich or Greg will...

July 14, 2024 08:57 PM Forum: Politics

What rhetoric caused the violence that caused an Assassination attempt on Trump? Probably those who call him Hitler and say he's a threat to Democracy

Posted By Rod Kaufman

MAGA responds, "You're next!"
https://www.cnn.com/trump-supporters-blame-media/index.html

Can't criticize dear leader, can we? You'd think there's something called the first amendment, oh wait, there is but it only applies to them...

July 14, 2024 10:36 PM Forum: Politics

What rhetoric caused the violence that caused an Assassination attempt on Trump? Probably those who call him Hitler and say he's a threat to Democracy

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer


Criticize? Yes.....spend 9 years promoting/instigating violence? Thats a hard no....
Simply wrong at best, delusional at worst, and in your case, probably a mixture of both...

July 15, 2024 05:43 AM Forum: Politics

What rhetoric caused the violence that caused an Assassination attempt on Trump? Probably those who call him Hitler and say he's a threat to Democracy

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by James Brown

Even though I am 100% sure you misinterpreted Russ's posts, William Barr clearly describes the “big issue” we agree on:  

 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/07/14/former_ag_bill_barr_when_someone_is_demonized_to_the_extent_trump_has_been_they_become_a_target.html
Now that's someone who really is so full of it given his previous comments about Trump such as "he should not be anywhere near the oval office" among other equally damning things. 
That said, we don't yet at this point even know what motivated this 20 year old kid to do what he did and anything you've stated is mere speculation at this time.

July 15, 2024 05:50 PM Forum: Politics

Judge Eileen Cannon rightfully dismissed the Corrupt Classified Documents case against Donald Trump, citing the Illegal appt. of Jack Smith as special Prosecutor

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by James Brown

When I have time and have completed some reading about the issues surrounding Cannon's decision, I'll post my thoughts.  Probably in a different thread.  Rod should start a "MAGA Cannon" thread soon.  I like discussions with Rod since we rarely agree on anything, but he is an honest and thoughtful debater, unlike you.
"Rod should start a "MAGA Cannon" thread soon."

Actually, I'll wait until we have the outcome of an appeal. 
That said, it's noteworthy Cannon relied on the opinion of Clarence Thomas who went out his way to expound on this in the immunity case and was and is widely considered to be a fringe outlier opinion.


https://www.salon.com/2024/07/15/legal-experts-cannons-dismissal-may-backfire-and-land-before-more-competent-judge/

July 15, 2024 04:51 PM Forum: Politics

A number of lefties here will agree with this, and before they believe that it is what should be done to Trump, I need to clarify this is satire.

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Richard Davis
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-inciting-assassination-attempt?utm_source=The%20Babylon%20Bee%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email

Then again the leftist in California, who blamed Trump and his constituents for the assassination attempt, might just agree with the phantom Judge cited in the article.

From the article:  

"Trump is clearly at fault for someone attempting to murder him with a rifle," said Judge Paul Stephenson. "He brought this on himself, and we will ensure justice is done."

According to sources, the motion to indict Trump was filed roughly thirty seconds after the failed assassination attempt. "It was obvious by that point that Trump had caused a man to fire several bullets at him," said District Attorney Jan Marsh. "If Trump were not literally Hitler, no one would have tried to kill him in the first place. It's time we in the legal system go after Hitler and not the people trying to murder Hitler."



Hmmm...... after reading that part of the posting the large print, I'm thinking that sentiment not only applies and appeals to the TDS suffering lib in California, but all the rest of the leftists here on the forum.     shocked
Look you lying sack of it, nobody has blamed Trump and his constituents for the assassination attempt. And, of course, you take something out of context, run with it like a nut case and barf up whatever garbage you digest from whatever ultra biased rightwing media source you've happened to read  on the same day...

Oh, and as far as the Trump-Hitler quotes go:

https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1737567329561526607?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1737567329561526607%7Ctwgr%5E0d239f5d1607de71102f567fe5fe05becdb1c3aa%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.axios.com%2F2023%2F12%2F20%2Ftrump-hitler-biden-campaign-comparison

July 15, 2024 09:24 PM Forum: Politics

The Cannon Opinion

Posted By Rod Kaufman

"Opinion: Judge Aileen Cannon is flat-out wrong, again"

"Judge Aileen Cannon’s stunning ruling dismissing the federal indictment against Donald Trump for mishandling classified documents is just wrong as a matter of constitutional law, but it can be easily overcome."

"Cannon held that it is unconstitutional to have a special counsel appointed by the attorney general to handle a prosecution unless there is a specific law authorizing it. The simple solution is for Atty. Gen. Merrick Garland to treat the classified documents case as a crime like any other, one that doesn’t require a special counsel. He can direct a United States attorney to immediately refile the case in federal court, and under Cannon’s reasoning there would be no constitutional problems."

"From the outset, Cannon, who was appointed to the federal district court bench by Trump, has handled the case in a way that seemed designed to protect him. For example, earlier she ruled that a higher standard had to be met to justify a search warrant for a former president. The federal court of appeals reversed this and said that the same standards apply under the 4th Amendment to everyone."

"Judge Cannon’s decision on Monday is flat-out wrong because it is inconsistent with U.S. Supreme Court precedents and the rulings of many other courts."

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-07-15/aileen-cannon-classified-documents-jack-smith-dismissal


For more rational thoughts behind the above opinion continue reading it...

July 17, 2024 08:16 PM Forum: Politics

The Cannon Opinion

Posted By Rod Kaufman

"Former federal prosecutor: Cannon dismissal of Trump documents case ‘simply indefensible"

"Harry Litman, a former U.S. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, said Monday that Judge Aileen Cannon’s dismissal of the classified documents case against former President Trump is “simply indefensible.”

“As a legal decision by a district court judge, it’s simply indefensible,” Litman told CNN’s Laura Coates Monday evening. “It almost doesn’t make sense to try to talk about it in legal terms. This is, as I said, the first Project 2025 opinion.”

“The principle is only loyalty to Trump,”


"Litman noted how quickly the vow to appeal came but said, “However quickly it is, I think she he’s done full service to Trump,” referring to Cannon, “because the 11th circuit I doubt has time to reverse this before the election.”

“The very best she could have done for him,” he continued. “The 11th circuit ought to reverse it unless, of course, Trump becomes president, in which case, he’ll just say goodbye and order DOJ to stand down.”

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4774544-former-federal-prosecutor-donald-trump-classified-documents-dismissal-of-trump-documents-case-indefensible/

The bottom line justice denied...

July 18, 2024 11:51 PM Forum: Politics

The Cannon Opinion

Posted By Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by James Brown

Of course!  I would love to see Clinton, Biden and Trump in jail for their mishandling of classified information.  I am surprised you wrote this post though.  

Guilt or innocence is not the legal issue!   

Jack Smith is a private citizen appointed by the Attorney General as a special prosecutor.  The Constitution has an appointment clause covering the Executive branch.  If the appointee is a "principal officer" the appointment must be approved by Congress.  If the appointee is an "inferior officer" the appointment must be made pursuant to a statute authorizing the appointment or approved by Congress.

Smith was not approved by Congress.  The judge determined that he is an "inferior officer" under the appointments clause, she also determined that there is no statute authorizing the appointment of a private citizen as special prosecutor with all the authority of a US Attorney.   So, Smith's appointment has been determined to be unconstitutional.   The critical legal issue of whether some tangentially related statutes give Garland implicit authority to appoint Smith will be reviewed upon appeal.   Also, there are strong arguments that Smith is a principal officer requiring Congressional approval in any case.  So the appeal will be interesting.   Also probably short-lived when Trump is elected.  sad

So, I hope everyone understands a key point here.  Trump could be guilty as sin and that does not excuse an unconstitutional special prosecutor appointment.   This is a critical separation of powers question, and like the immunity decision is a lot bigger than the Trump cases.

Back to me and you, we would have been prosecuted by a US Attorney or JAG officer (an employee of the government) who is unambiguously authorized by statute to prosecute federal crimes.   We would be convicted and do time.

If you want to speculate why Garland chose to go outside of his staff and bring in Smith, I have some thoughts.   Clearly Garland did not see this issue coming, but it is not brand new.  Conservative legal scholars have been arguing that the authority to appoint private citizens as special prosecutors expired 20 years ago when the Watergate era independent counsel act expired. 

Jim
Actually, Cannon's opinion is reportedly, as per Litman, a cut and paste of arguments presented by Citizen's United from her rightwing outside circus that she invited into her court of which she cobbled together with those of Clarence Thomas. None of which makes them correct.

That said, Garland is reportedly appealing the "principle" of his ability to appoint a special prosecutor which is done, of course, to demonstrate impartiality and objectivity.
Of course, that noble ideal has been destroyed by Trump and company with his outrageous rhetoric about Jack Smith, Garland and it's all Biden's doing. The latter is another example of how Biden is supposedly some sort of evil mastermind while, at the same time, being feeble and incoherent...