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May 2, 2019 12:47 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi James:  I hate to say it, but CNN more or less supports Richard on this phone call angle:

CNN reported previously that Mueller also followed up with Barr in a phone call after he sent the March 27 letter.  While Mueller didn't think Barr's letter was inaccurate, the special counsel believed his report was more nuanced on the obstruction of justice issue, according to Justice Department officials. Mueller was frustrated by media coverage, and wanted more of the report to come out, those officials told CNN.  The call was described to CNN as polite, but there was clear disagreement. "This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the special counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations," Mueller wrote.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/01/politics/mueller-barr-letter-special-counsel/index.html

I think it is important to remember the timing of this phone call and letter from Mueller.  These events occurred after Barr's summary to Congress, but before Barr released the redacted report.  I can well imagine that Mueller believed his report was more nuanced on the obstruction of justice issue.  A few pages of summary is not going to be that nuanced compared to a several hundred page report.  Also, no one should think that the AG is above politics.  Good gracious, where were all of these clowns in the press spouting their "Barr thinks he is Trump's lawyer, not America's lawyer" trope when Loretta Lynch was meeting Bill Clinton on the tarmac!

I can also well imagine that Mueller was frustrated by media coverage.  Some portion of the media was/is calling 2 years of hard work a huge waste of taxpayer dollars.  He would want the report out there to document all of the hard work in painstaking detail.

I'm guessing that this story vanishes when Mueller testifies, because his concerns were addressed by the release of the redacted report.  

Jim  

May 2, 2019 03:08 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Jim,

Mueller didn't write a letter of protest to Barr because he was happy about the way Barr handled the release of the Mueller report. It's pretty clear that first and foremost, Mueller was concerned about Barr's summary. Any concerns about media coverage came afterward as the timeline shows. I don't necessarily agree that a later release of the redacted version somehow excuses Barr's mischaracterizations. After all, once a narrative is created and used widely, it's almost impossible to rewrite.
Hi James: 

Yes, the bold part is politics as usual, and Barr, Mueller, and of course Trump, are not above politics as usual.  I'm still not seeing that Barr materially mischaracterized the report in his summary.  In other words, the summary seems to me to have been factually accurate regarding the two "bottom lines" of the Mueller report.  It's not like the report actually concluded that Trump obstructed justice and ought to be prosecuted, contradicting Barr's assertions.  

Could a Democrat AG have written a summary that was equally factually accurate, but sounded a whole lot worse for Trump?  You bet.  Democrats have been busy spinning the report to their liking since the day it was released. 

Shifting gears a bit now; in your other post, you mentioned that there was material in the report sufficient to keep House investigative committees busy for years.  I don't disagree.  But I think that the center will side with Trump more and more as this drags on.  I will be surprised if the Dems don't move on fairly soon, when it appears that endless investigations are bolstering the president with persuadable voters.  If Trump was not such an ass, he could parlay this report (and of course the economy) into a Reagan-like electoral annihilation in 2020.   As it is, I think that the election is going to be super close - it all depends on whom the Ds nominate, and how that person approaches MI, WI, PA and so on.

Jim

May 2, 2019 10:15 PM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey


I don't see independents breaking for Trump unless the Democrats nominate a terrible candidate. In 2016, we had two highly unpopular candidates, and many people were willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt because they didn't want to vote for Hillary. Trump barely won in 2016 despite what Trump flatterers would have you believe. Now that the American people have seen on full display the consequences of a Trump personality in the White House, do you think that independents are going to swing to him? I seriously doubt it when he continues to assail the most popular provisions of the ACA, and as you so tartly put it, continues to behave like an ass. Besides, Congressional oversight and investigations have drug on for years before and it didn't change the minds of independents. The content of Vol.2 of the Mueller report is a veritable treasure trove compared to anything the Republicans had on Hillary. As long as Trump continues to be a pathological lying narcissist who can't help but act on his worst impulses, then there will be no shortage of investigations.
"Unless the Democrats nominate a terrible candidate"  That's half of the equation.  The economy is the other half.  An unexpected foreign policy disaster might be a third half.  wink.  I see lots of independents holding their noses and voting for Trump if the economy remains strong.  This is where I am now, and any candidate who actively targets this robust economy loses my vote.  Sanders and Warren are non-starters.   We'll see how it all works out over the next 1.5 years, but if the economy remains robust, history suggests that Trump wins no matter how odious his personality might be.  

Jim

May 2, 2019 11:03 PM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
"The facts are these: More than a week after Barr received Mueller's letter expressing concern about how the AG's summary letter had characterized the obstruction evidence -- and talked to Mueller on the phone about it -- he appeared before Congress. And he had this exchange with Florida Democratic Rep. Charlie Crist:
CRIST: Reports have emerged recently, General, that members of the special counsel's team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March 24 letter, that it does not adequately or accurately portray the report's findings. Do you know what they are referencing with that?
BARR: No, I don't.
Asked about that moment on Wednesday, Barr explained what looks like willful obfuscation -- basically -- this way: I didn't know what specific "reports" Crist was referring to or who on the special counsel's team he was talking about. Therefore, my answer is accurate.
Which is, well, whoa. Or, better put, it is a hugely legalistic answer to the question of whether Barr misled Crist and the broader country. Common sense dictates that, when asked about whether he was aware of any frustrations from the special counsel regarding his four-page letter, the letter from Mueller -- and their subsequent phone conversation -- would jump immediately to mind
Barr can make a lawyerly argument that he didn't understand what Crist was specifically referring to in his question. But that doesn't pass the smell test."

CNN put it very accurately in the above. Mueller had already communicated his overt concerns about the report to Barr and Barr knew it. Oh, I forgot, in Barr's word, Mueller was just being "snitty"... Yeah, right...
Hi Rod:

CNN, in my opinion, is intentionally misleading viewers with selective editing.  Listen to the entire exchange between Barr and Crist here:  https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4795192/charlie-crist-questions-ag-barr-april-9-2019

Barr says, "No, I don't" but then he describes at length that the Mueller team wanted him to release the summaries right away.  Then Barr explains why he did not do that and probably couldn't, given the timing of the legally mandated redaction process.  When CNN edits out the entirety of Barr's comments after "No, I don't" they are trying to make it look like he is stonewalling.  When you listen to Barr's entire comment, his later explanation of, "I didn't know what specific "reports" Crist was referring to or who on the special counsel's team he was talking about" is very plausible, given that Barr openly explained the gist of Mueller's letter in it's entirety immediately after saying "No, I don't"

This non-scandal is going nowhere. 

Jim

May 3, 2019 12:17 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Hi Again Jim,

  I just noticed this statement from you about the economy.  I'm glad to hear another conservative say that.

  This begs the question then, if Hick begins to mention anything whereby it appears he will target the OIL industry, will you change your mind about voting for him?
  
  Enjoy your day! 

Rich
Hick has a long way to go before he says anything that actually gets reported!! 

If Hick "appears" to target the Oil industry, I will doubt his sincerity, he is running for office after all, and must appeal to the base.  Obviously, Polis thought that Hick never went far enough to rein in the "excesses" of the evil oil and gas industries.   The anti-oil balot initiative that went down in flames in November and SB181 were both Polis's babies.  We'll see how that turns out I guess.

By the way, I'm not endorsing Hick yet.  I will say that I would vastly prefer him to virtually all of the other D candidates, including Bennant.

Jim

May 3, 2019 12:32 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey


I don't disagree with you, and it is incredible how much a robust economy can insulate a politician from criticism. I think the idea that he will easily win in 2020, even with a good economy, is not supportable by the data we have in front of us today. For example, if he lost all the States where he is polling negatively today, he would get clobbered. He lost the popular vote by six million votes in 2016 and only won by squeaking out extremely narrow margins of victory in the by now famous rust-belt states of PA, WI, and MI. He is not even polling well in traditionally red states like Texas. However, as you said, what happens over the next 1.5 years will matter too. I hope we are all here to see what happens.
Hi James:

I agree with the first bold line above.  The much reviled electoral college guarantees that it will be close if Trump squeaks out a win.  It will be very tough for him to hold WI, MI, PA, AZ, OH, and FL.  He doesn't need all of those of course, but he needs most of them and what blue states could he flip?  Hillary Clinton (two "L" s Rich) malpracticed her campaign by ignoring the upper Midwest.   The D's are not going to make that mistake again.  

You're not ill are you?  That last line is more than a bit melodramatic.  The federal and state systems of government we are blessed with are much stronger than any one official.  In my opinion, no rational person, no matter how much they hate Trump, can say that the last two years have been an existential disaster for the USA.  Those who say or publish the existential threat BS are simply not being rational.  I personally am confident that the USA will survive another 2-6 years of Trump.  I'm not so sure if we elect a socialist though!  (Even if Bernie wins, I think that Congress or reality will hamstring his wilder impulses).  

Jim

May 3, 2019 12:43 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer


Trump won because a WHOLE LOT of normally side-liners got sick of the left's lies and BS and jumped in the game. The lies and BS have only gotten worse and I fully expect between the economy and disgust with the left he is a shoe-in for a 2nd term.
Maybe, along this vein, I think Trump won because Clinton insulted all of the blue collar workers in the upper Midwest by calling them "deplorables."  Then she offered them nothing, not even a visit to some of their home states.  Enough of those deplorables in WI, MI, and PA came out to vote and enough of the Obama voters in those states stayed home to miraculously flip these states to Trump.  I agree that the conservatives in this country are sick of the press, but that is baked in to their historical voting patterns.  It is not new.     

Who will be best able to reach out to persuadable voters who hated Hillary Clinton?  Biden?  Harris?  Booker?  Hickenlooper? (wink) I could definitely see any one of those flipping WI, MI, and Pa back, and I think that leads to a D win, unless my math is off.  Sanders or Warren?  I don't think so.

Obviously I was wrong in 2016.  Plus I am now bubbled up in a blue state (along with Richard) so I don't really have a feel for the attitudes of the Trump voters in the key swing states.  I miss the good old days when Colorado was a swing state, although overreach by our new true-blue governor and statehouse could swing things back in a hurry!

Jim 

May 3, 2019 02:16 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis


Jared Polis and the lefties in Colorado have essentially stolen our electoral college here.  The State Assembly here just "decided" through legislation that from now on, they would simply AWARD all the electoral college votes to the candidate who got the most Popular votes even if we voted as a state for the person who rec'd fewer national votes. 

I'm baffled as to why a lawsuit hasn't been filed yet about this.  It strikes me that it is an absolute violation of my vote going to where I wanted it to go.  

Hold your horses on this one Richard.  The law, (which is a stupid law of course), only goes into effect when a majority of states (electoral college wise) pass a similar law.  Jared Polis and those like him would never give up our reliable blue electoral college votes, unless it was guaranteed that the national popular vote winner (presumably a D) would win.

Jim

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/21/colorado-join-national-compact-casting-electoral-college-votes/2940598002/

May 3, 2019 02:27 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hold your horses on this one Richard.  The law, (which is a stupid law of course), only goes into effect when a majority of states (electoral college wise) pass a similar law.  Jared Polis and those like him would never give up our reliable blue electoral college votes, unless it was guaranteed that the national popular vote winner (presumably a D) would win.

Jim

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/21/colorado-join-national-compact-casting-electoral-college-votes/2940598002/
From the National Popular Vote website:

"The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes).  It has been enacted into law in 15 jurisdictions possessing 189 electoral votes, including 5 small jurisdictions (DC, DE, HI, RI, VT), 6 medium-sized states (CO, CT, MD, MA, NM, WA), and 4 big states (CA, IL, NJ, NY).   The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional 81 electoral votes."



I hope/think we are safe from this law for quite a while.  

Jim

May 3, 2019 02:30 AM Forum: Politics

Barr's Bull

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Brown

From the National Popular Vote website:

"The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes).  It has been enacted into law in 15 jurisdictions possessing 189 electoral votes, including 5 small jurisdictions (DC, DE, HI, RI, VT), 6 medium-sized states (CO, CT, MD, MA, NM, WA), and 4 big states (CA, IL, NJ, NY).   The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional 81 electoral votes."



I hope/think we are safe from this law for quite a while.  

Jim
The map on the National Popular Vote webpage is almost identical to the states that went for Hillary Clinton in 2016, with a few missing states.  I did not see any Trump states in support of this law.