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Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Depends. 

What are the laws for that in the state of Michigan?

Let us know.  You live there right.   

The prosecutor said the parents might be charged. 

Listen, Dick, just because I don't comment on something doesn't mean I condone it. Your an asshole the way you talk to people. I was more interested in Mel and Greg's thoughts, not your unhinged verbal gymnastics.

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Some prosecutors would charge the parents. It would depend on the state, county, and circumstances. Was the gun left where somebody could grab it or did the kid spend hours breaking into a safe that was not strong enough? Were there indications this kid was a threat to do this? 
That deranged kid should not determine whether or not I have a gun. 

So how do you prevent it?

Originally Posted by Darian Rachal

Dave, you have the record for the longest link on the AM Forums.

Hahaha. I'm sure of it.

From today's Detroit Free Press. Both parents are being charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter. If you are buying a gun for a minor for a Christmas present maybe it's not a good idea to post it on social media?

"The 9mm Sig Sauer SP 2022 pistol used in Tuesday's shooting at Oxford High School in Oxford Township, a small community north of Detroit, was purchased by James Crumbley at a local gun shop on Black Friday, authorities said Friday. Ethan Crumbley was with him at the time of the purchase, they said.

Jennifer Crumbley referred to the gun as their son's "new Christmas present" in a social media post, Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald said at a press conference Friday. She added that the gun was stored unlocked in a drawer in the parents' bedroom.

"These charges are intended to hold the individuals who contributed to this tragedy accountable, and also send a message that gun owners have a responsibility. When they fail to uphold that responsibility, there are serious and criminal consequences," McDonald said.

An Oxford High School teacher had recently reported Ethan Crumbley after they spotted him using his phone to search for ammunition, the prosecutor said.

School officials left a voicemail and email for Jennifer Crumbley, who did not respond, according to McDonald. But Crumbley sent a text message to her son that said "LOL I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught."

On the morning of the shooting, the prosecutor said, Crumbley's teacher found a drawing on Ethan's desk depicting a handgun, bullet and shooting victim, with the words "the thoughts won't stop, help me."

Disturbed, the teacher informed school authorities, who called both James and Jennifer Crumbley to the school, where they were told they would be required to seek counseling for their son.

 "Both James and Jennifer Crumbley failed to ask if their son had his gun with him or where his gun was located, and failed to inspect his backpack for the presence of the gun, which he had with him," McDonald said.

The parents "resisted the idea" of Ethan leaving school at that time, McDonald said. Afterward, Crumbley returned to class. Just before 1 p.m., he entered a bathroom wearing a backpack, then came out with the pistol in his hand and began shooting, the prosecutor said.

"When the news of the active shooter at Oxford High School had been made public, Jennifer Crumbley texted to her son at 1:22 p.m., 'Ethan, don't do it,'" McDonald said. Fifteen minutes later, James Crumbley called 911 to report that the gun was missing and that it may be his son who committed the school shooting."

It's now being reported the parents are on the run and there is a manhunt on. They were supposed to be arraigned in 15 minutes, but they are AWOL. 

I can see this one being told, with some changes, on the CBS series FBI: Most Wanted. Or, maybe not, depends on the outcome.

That makes two pleading the fifth so as not to incriminate themselves. I wonder what the right's hero thinks of someone taking the fifth amendment?

No, the video isn't about Cohen.

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Is Biden the Dem's "Hero?"
Most people probably support the 5th.

Nice deflection, Mel. I'm talking about Trump and his comments regarding the fifth amendment. I actually agree with him. 

In your world does pleading the fifth mean you aren't guity?

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Ok, in the past Trump has asked why innocent people take the fifth. 
I doubt there are more than a handful of people that believe everything Trump has said.
The guy spoke a million words a day.

So you don't think pleading the fifth makes someone appear guilty of a crime? Trump obviously does. Are you saying you don't believe him?

Maybe you don't believe his constant crying of the whole election fraud thing? I thought he could do no wrong with you guys.   

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

I'll say it again. Very few people believe very much of what Trump says. The election was about the choice! Many thought Trump was the lesser of two bad choices.

You are delusional, Mel, if you really believe that.

No, polls show 1/3 of the country believe him and that the election was stolen due to widespread election fraud.