Posts Made By: Brien Stratton

Mike,

Here goes the JW view about Jesus' Divinity:

Jesus is divine now in heaven, or god-like (from dictionary). He is a god, which means mighty one, strong one. He is called the only-begotten god, since God produced Jesus as his first born son. Jesus was evidently the first angel that God created. Evidently, he was the only angel that God created directly. Then God through Jesus Christ as his Master Worker (Proverbs 8:22-31) produced everything else, meaning the rest of the angels, the universe, man, ect (John 1:3).

God (Jehovah) had Jesus' lifeforce transferred to the womb of Mary, and Jesus was born fully human, being a perfect man, the same as Adam was. Jesus did miracles because God gave him power, and holy spirit to do them. Jesus served God under trial the way that Adam should have. He willingly gave up his eternal life on this earth to buy back obedient mankind. God lovingly provided another perfect man for this ransom or atonement, since imperfect humans could never provide a proper substitute or sacrifice for God's justice to be served. Adam, through his willful sin as a perfect man, threw away a very precious gift from God (eternal, perfect life) for himself, and his offspring.

God resurrected Jesus on the third day after his crucifixion as a powerful spirit, and Jesus appeared to his disciples for 40 days, then ascended back to heaven to sit at God's right hand until he received his kingdom from God (Psalms 110:1).

There is also an angel called Michael, who is called an archangel, who leads God's people (see Daniel 12:1), and who battles with Satan and his demons (Revelation 12:7). Since Jesus leads his congregation of disciples today, and since Jesus was to do the same battling with Satan (Genesis 3:15) this points to Michael as being actually the resurrected Jesus Christ, Jesus taking back the name (Michael) that he had previously in heaven before he came to the earth. Also, at 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Jesus is said to have an archangel's voice.

However this insight into Michael being Jesus is not what trinitarians believe, since they say Jesus is God. But if you believe that Jesus is God's son, not God, then the whole puzzle comes together. Of course, trinitarians have their own story, but if you examine closely you will find which is true yourself. Also the early church fathers tended to believe in Jesus being a subordinate being to God. Also the words of Jesus testify to his subordinate role.

Brien

Nice photo. Was doing the mirror yourself worth it? First mirror? I want to start pushing glass myself sometime.

Brien

Yes, thanks Steve, that was quick, you must be a draftsman. Great idea. I have not seen this before for truss scopes. I have seen this type of thing in other applications outside of astronomy.

Brien

Sorry to hear about the loss of your sister Brian. She was so young. Hope you are finding comfort in your faith in the Creator.

Brien

No disrespect taken Darian. Yes it would undermine my faith, because then Jesus would be a liar. He said at Matthew 24:36:

36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming."

If the flood was definitely proven to be false, then I would not believe in the Bible's version of God, though I may still believe in a nameless Creator, or not at all. There is a lot riding on the accounts in the Bible being valid or not, at least in my perspective. I don't like being lied too.

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, No disrespect taken Darian. Yes it would undermine my faith, because then Jesus would be a liar. He said at Matthew 24:36:

36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned; 41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming."

If the flood was definitely proven to be false, then I would not believe in the Bible's version of God, though I may still believe in a nameless Creator, or not at all. There is a lot riding on the accounts in the Bible being valid or not, at least in my perspective. I don't like being lied too.

Brien

If the flood is a joke, then other accounts in the Bible are up for grabs too. This is called the domino effect. The churches changing stand on the flood, and other critical topics (i.e. evolution/creation), has helped contribute to undermine people's faith in the Bible, and hence the God of the Bible.

Brien

Why are they secret? Did Mary say they were to be secret? I am curious.

Brien

Bill, you are too clever!

Brien

I have not seen the news, any reason given? The bombings in Saudi Arabia?

Brien

Darian, I believe there will be a world wide government with Jesus ruling from heaven for 1000 years over the earth. Then God takes over rulership for the rest of time.

Daniel 2:44:

44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;"

Revelation 20:4

4 "And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them...And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. "

1 Corinthians 15:23-28:

24 "Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."

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, Darian, I believe there will be a world wide government with Jesus ruling from heaven for 1000 years over the earth. Then God takes over rulership for the rest of time.

Daniel 2:44:

44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;"

Revelation 20:4

4 "And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them...And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. "

1 Corinthians 15:23-28:

24 "Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone."

Brien