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March 25, 2020 10:07 PM Forum: Politics

Is it justified?

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis


You didn't specify what the "economic impact" is that you would consider acceptable.  Your statement is very vague and at this point we don't know the total economic assessment at this point however, it is said that businesses are laying off like crazy.  Many of these jobs will not come back. 

Why not? 

Sometimes you don't sound like a conservative at all.  The restaurants are shuttered for now, and that is awful for those in the industry.  Many individuals will lose their livelihood.   But on a macro-economic scale the number of restaurants and their level of business is driven by demand.  The demand for restaurants will return to normal when the crisis is over.  Those jobs will come back.  Same with all of the other travel, hospitality, recreation, personal services and so on jobs that are really getting hammered by the shut down.

This will take time, but why would you think that the jobs won't come back?

Jim

March 25, 2020 10:08 PM Forum: Politics

Is it justified?

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Jim,
I'm in California under the stay at home order but as a healthcare provider, I'm exempted. Today, as usual, I treated patients with back and extremity problems in an occupational medical facility. Here's my routine when I arrive home in my garage: close the garage door, strip naked, throw all my clothes, white coat, etc into a laundry basket. Wipe my hands and feet with disinfectant and run upstairs and shower including irrigating the nose while standing in the shower. Dress with clean clothes that I'll wear in my home and repeat the next day after work. I also disinfect the soles of my shoes daily. I have to hope that helps...
Wow, you definitely have it tough since your job requires hands-on contact.  Don't forget to close your garage door!

March 25, 2020 10:17 PM Forum: Politics

GOP Stimulus Package Goes From 1 Trillion to 2 Trillion...

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/stimulus-package-negotiations-congress-coronavirus/index.html
And that may not be enough...
Remember all that crap the GOP gave Obama about our grandkids saddled with debt due to the stimulus package in the great recession?

I don't know anything about the details of the plan negotiated last night.  I do know that the constant squawking about corporate welfare from the Bernie/Warren crowd is largely unjustified.  For example, I believe the 2008 TARP program stimulus eventually made the US Treasury 15B, after the loans were paid back.  Maybe the much bigger Covid-19 stimulus is structure differently?  I don't know.  But loans to distressed industries right now seems like a very good, and hopefully low-risk, move by the Government.

Jim

March 26, 2020 12:23 AM Forum: Politics

Is it justified?

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Of course you avoid legitimate questions from me. You've done in the past over and over.  Recently during the Democrat impeachment of Donald Trump I responded back to one of your snide responses to a posting I made, and I challenged you back with about a dozen questions.  

Your response to me was to say "I don't time to read all that".  Your typical dodge, when you have no good response.

And yes, the ordinary flu can easily overwhelm the healthcare system with incredible costs to the economy.  It does cost the economy every year.  

Do you think 60 Million people getting the Flu doesn't cost the system Billions of dollars? 

Any virus or threat of illness to millions of people can trigger a response that Will overwhelm our healthcare system.

The Press alone can trigger an unwarranted response of hysterics from Americans if they purposely inject a fear response into the system by their reporting.  

This President initially attempted to keep the calm by not responding hysterically and what happened? 

The Press and other idiots out there and here jumped on him like a bunch of hyenas implying that he wasn't "taking this virus seriously".  

Those fools are the types that help ramp up the hysterics among those who aren't the brightest and this sets them into an utter panic over a virus that might end up being no worse than the flu.  

I blame the leftist press for a Great Deal of this hysterical response by purposely getting the American people into a panic over this.

Are you so naive that you don't understand what a powerful intoxicant the leftist News Press can be if they want to instill fear into the American people?  

Are you so ignorant that you don't see that the Press is doing just that? 

They are happy because they can criticize every single thing he does and they do so on a minute by minute basis, which is why he is correct when he says the liberal leftist false reporting media are a threat to this country.

Let me ask you a question, since you now are taking the stand that you will answer all questions.

What do you think our enemies, the Chinese and ISIS is seeing from our response over this virus?

Do you know that they now understand how they can take down our nation at virtually any time and destroy it?

They see the utter panic and the destruction of our economy that the threat of a simple virus can cause.  

The communist totalitarian Chinese now see a way to destroy the US at any time and they don't have to drop one bomb, they just bring a virus over and begin the panic machine that IS the Press.  

The press will do their dirty work for them.  

What is your response to that?  

Also here's a question for you about the Universities shutting down. 

Where do you think all these millions of young adults go when the Schools close??

Did it cross your mind that they head home and if they are Covid positive, they now have a much GREATER chance of infecting their parents and grandparents?

Deal with that and I'll check back for your answer later this afternoon.  

  
 



 
I gather that you disagree with my position?  I do answer your serious questions. 

Honestly though, sometimes it is impossible to tell which of your questions are rhetorical, which are serious, and which are just trolling.  The post above is a good example.  I think there are at least 8 questions buried in there.  Some of them look like rhetorical questions, that don't require an answer.  For example, "Where do you think all these millions of young adults go when the Schools close??"  Everyone knows that the answer is "home," so I don't think that not answering is a dodge at all.  

More importantly, I'll never reply if you "challenge back with about a dozen questions."  Everyone will ignore a challenge back with a dozen questions!  That does not mean that you won the argument!  Conversations are enjoyable, shouting matches are not.   

Ask a question and I'll do my best to answer, just like I did above.  If you don't like my answer, try to make a specific rebuttal point and I'll try to respond - this should be a conversation, not a shouting match.

J

March 26, 2020 12:38 AM Forum: Politics

The Hammer and the Dance..... Why mitigation is not enough.

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey


Nobody wants to see us return to business, as usual, more than myself. This crisis is killing the businesses my company depends on for their livelihood and hence mine. I will be fortunate to emerge from this with my job still intact. Honestly, I'm going to call it a win if all of my family comes out on the other side, healthy and alive. If I still have a job, that will be a bonus. However, the last thing I want to see us do is discount the experts and react to this crisis poorly. There is no one I'm willing to sacrifice matador style on the Wall Street bull sculpture. Besides, if we don't get it right, and slow the spread, then the enormous social and economic impacts from COVID spreading widely and rapidly would be far worse than the current situation. I say listen to the experts, and let's do this right and do it once and then learn from this and prepare adequately for the next time.
I agree 100%.  Lots of conservatives do.  Look at the behavior in our cities.  Most everyone is complying with the rules, cons and libs alike.  At least that is what I see in Denver and Salida Colorado.

A thought has been developing in my mind for a while.  Perhaps one reason I am so much more willing than you and Russ to give Trump a pass is that I don't listen to him.  Literally.  I don't watch those pressers, and I almost never watch CNN or Fox type news.  I google a lot of stuff, and I read a wide variety of opinion pieces, I obsess over Worldometer as the data comes in, but I don't watch DJT opine in real time.  I still have confidence in the US economy and medical expertise to meet this challenge, but maybe that confidence would be shaken if I listened to Trump every day?1

Jim

1.  This is a rhetorical question Rich, requires no answer.

March 26, 2020 01:06 AM Forum: Politics

The Hammer and the Dance..... Why mitigation is not enough.

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey


I just have to say. This whole asking people about their sex life is not the plot twist I saw coming. Bravo Crazy Uncle Black Knight Richard. You have outdone yourself. This has to rank up their with challenging people to boxing matches.
Ahh, those were the days.  And to think I spent all that time training, and when I showed up at the gym...  Rich was a no-show.

March 26, 2020 01:25 AM Forum: Politics

Is it justified?

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Well here's a clue for you. Take note because this is informative. 

The ones with a question mark, which I IMMEDIATELY answer myself would be rhetorical.  Does that make sense to you?

And your clever move to pick the question about "where do the kids go and you answered "home" was neat, but it was a dodge because you saw the very next question. 

I'll ask you again, since you want to pretend to be obtuse.


Now Jim B. stated in a thread here earlier that THIS virus is SO dangerous because it is something we've never seen before.

Ok, the FLU last year MUTATED 17 different times.

Permit me to reiterate that fact, so it sinks in.  The regular Flu MUTATED 17 different times just last year alone! 

So Jim what is your response to that?

The coronavirus has been around for CENTURIES.  The common cold IS a Coronavirus.  SARS is a Coronavirus, MERS is a Coronavirus.



There you go. I hope you don't have to "answer in a later thread" because you need the input from others here  

I'll wait.  
Is this your question: Why is the risk from seasonal flu less than the risk from Covid-19, given that the seasonal flu mutates all the time?

Assuming that is your question, the answer is that the human species and the seasonal flu have co-evolved for thousands of years.  Yes, RNA-based viruses mutate a lot.  This is why we have to develop a new flu shot each year.  Sometimes the vaccinations work, sometimes we miss the target.  It is our fate to be susceptible to colds and flu each year.

In most years the mutations in the seasonal flu are significant enough that you can catch the flu "again" but minor enough that it's R0 and lethality are about as expected.  So the health care system is not overwhelmed.

Covid-19 is new, it probably came to humans from bats.  We have no evolutionary resistance to this virus, so it is particularly dangerous and therefore can overwhelm the health care system.  The other coronaviruses that cause the common cold have been with us for thousands of years.  Interestingly, the evolutionary pressure on a virus is to make it less lethal.  Because of this, no one dies from a cold, unless they are already very sick I suppose.

New strains of influenza can cross over from animals too, and when they do, it is extremely dangerous.  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

In summary, we, as a species, have adapted to certain viruses that have been with us for a long time, like the seasonal flu and the common cold.  These RNA viruses mutate enough that we can catch them over and over again, but natural selection forces evolution of these long-term viruses away from lethality.  New viruses, on the other hand, crossing over from animals to humans for the first time, are extremely dangerous because we have no evolutionary history.  Covid-19 is probably not that dangerous for bats.  

I can link some articles if you like, but I can't personally answer your question any better than this.

Jim

April 1, 2020 03:15 AM Forum: Politics

No BS Assessment on Coronavirus Death Rate

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I'm building a house for my sister at the moment, so I don't need to make coffins.  
I sure hope your sister is not interested in moving in any time soon! 

I recognize that I have wasted plenty of time on this forum over the years, but seriously, just today alone you posted at 7:30, 7:40, 7:55, 8:33, 8:39, 8:46, 9:04, 9:21, 9:22, 9:24, 9:30, 9:33, 9:34, 9:44,  9:50, 10:09, 10:38, 11:04, 11:49, 1:22, 1:26, 1:29, 1:32, and 1:54!    Some of your postings were massive too.  I'm guessing that between Noon and 1:00 you took a break from the keyboard and ate lunch?

When do you find the time to swing a nail gun?

April 1, 2020 04:00 AM Forum: Politics

No BS Assessment on Coronavirus Death Rate

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Its called I work at home dickhead, building and then I install.    

I don't swing a nail gun.  
I thought you said you were building your sister's house.  Are you only making the cabinets in your shop for later installation?  No worries, that's honest work.  Maybe you could clarify the scope of your duties?  

April 1, 2020 04:02 AM Forum: Politics

No BS Assessment on Coronavirus Death Rate

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis
Also I don't need "input from others" as you said you needed in order to compose a coherent thought.  

Since I never said that, your comment is self-disproving.