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April 3, 2020 11:17 PM Forum: Politics

Thank You Russia For Your Help

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer
Here is how I see in the simplest terms possible based on the information I have seen so far.....

Most people are going to have very manageable cases of this virus. The problem is that it is so very contagious, and so many people will get it all at the same time. Our hospitals and clinics simply can't manage those kind of numbers. About 5% will need hospital care, around 2% (perhaps less) will not survive.

The real issue here is about flattening the curve so that those who wont survive it without professional care can get it. Managing the curve to the best possible outcome is what it is all about.

I am getting a little tired of hearing "why wont Trump declare a national shut down of all but essential services and make everyone stay home?".....This is NOT a one size fits all problem is why besides the fact that the 10th amendment limits his power in this issue . He and his administration have stated they will leave these decisions to the states and local governments thus respecting the fact that one size does NOT fit all medically or economically. What fits Boston MA does not fit Boston GA simply put.
Good post.  The bit about flattening the curve is accurate as best I can tell, and is of course what James, Russ, Rod and Dave have been saying for at least four weeks.  I was a bit late to appreciate this.  I also agree that State and local governments are best suited to coordinate the response, with federal guidance and money.

Jim

April 3, 2020 11:18 PM Forum: Politics

Aircraft Carrier Captain Relieved For Begging For The Welfare Of His Men

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

And when you start posting about patent searches....  
Sad, that your brain is 100% irony-proof.

April 3, 2020 11:49 PM Forum: Politics

Thank You Russia For Your Help

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer


You didnt ask me but I suspect Rich and I would have similar perspectives......Humans for the most part have no natural resistance to this virus therefor even with the fact that I am sure there will be exceptions as everyone is not the same ie some small percentage will be naturally resistant to it, the majority of the population will catch it unless a vaccine is developed. Barring exceptions it is not a case of if but rather a case of when.
Hi Greg:

I agree completely.  Some portion of the population would also be protected as herd immunity develops over time.  

I'm not sure that Rich agrees though.  He gave James all sorts of grief over a period of many day when James summarized a CDC study that said pretty much exactly what you said above.

Jim

April 4, 2020 12:24 AM Forum: Politics

Thank You Russia For Your Help

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I pretty much do agree with what Greg posted.  

Why are you acting totally obtuse about this?  
I'm not being obtuse.  I'm demonstrating to the community that you refuse to directly answer a simple question.  We all know why you are doing that too.  Any honest answer to my question on your part would amply demonstrate that James was correct when he paraphrased the CDC data so many weeks ago and that your reply and weeks of follow up replies mocking James were intentional misconstructions of James' original (and now universally agreed upon) point.

For what it is worth, you still have not submitted a straight answer to my question, although I'll take your endorsement of Greg's reasonable response as your answer.

Jim

April 4, 2020 12:43 AM Forum: Politics

Thank You Russia For Your Help

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Do whatever you want Jim.  I couldn't care less.  tongue
I think my work in this thread is complete.  Let's talk about rulers now.

April 6, 2020 04:24 AM Forum: Politics

WH: Colorado Next Coronavirus Hot Spot

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
It's reportedly next up on the coronavirus shit list.
Jim, Rich and the rest better hunkerdown!
Consider me hunkered!  

April 7, 2020 11:29 PM Forum: Politics

Covid-19 data and graphs

Posted By James Brown

In another thread Rich Davis mocked me using the following statement, posted by Russ on March 12:

"The number of cases has been doubling every two days in the US for a few weeks. If that continues, we will go from 1500 cases today, to 1,000,000 by or just after the end of this month! It is simple math. We need to arrest the progression of the illness and realize it is not an over-reaction. Frankly, your response surprises me given the simple math of the problem.

1000,2000,4000,8000, 16000, 32000...every 2 days! Exponential growth is a bitch."

Not surprisingly, Rich foolishly missed the point of Russ's accurate and early prediction.  Rich conveniently overlooked the clauses, "If that continues," and "We need to arrest the progression of the illness and realize it is not an over-reaction."  So, how have we done at arresting the progression so far?  Consider the following:

An infection will propagate through a population at an exponential rate.  The propagation rate is affected by many factors, like the inherent infectiousness of the disease and the mechanism of transfer.  It is obviously very complex.  In addition, any closed system, whether it is a Petri dish or the planet earth places constraints on the propagation of the infection.  These constraints always cause the unconstrained rate of exponential growth to slow.  Eventually, in a real system, exponential growth slows to a point where it levels off and stops.  The disease models all take this into account.

With Covid-19, all of humanity is also placing artificial constraints on the propagation of the disease.  These artificial constraints are the whole package of exceptionally burdensome business closures, stay-at-home orders, personal isolation efforts, masks and so on.  Flattening the curve is all about constraining the exponential growth of the infection through social action.  

So, are our efforts to flatten the curve working?  Or, in the words of Russ Carroll, are we, "arrest(ing) the progression of the illness?" I think the answer is yes.  Of course I can not, to the satisfaction of Rich Davis, prove that the effect shown below is caused in large part by social distancing.  I believe however, that the data graphed below amply demonstrates that our efforts to flatten the curve are working quickly.

The graph below is similar to those posted earlier in another thread, but I have broken the total infection data (for dates after March 14) into one-week chunks.  Excel will fit a nice exponential tend-line curve to each chunk, and extend it for any subsequent period, I selected five extra days.  You will see that the actual infection curve always falls below the trend line for the previous period.  That is good, the growth rate is slowing.  Excel also conveniently provides the equation for each trend line in the format N=N0ert . This is nice, because it makes it easy to calculate a doubling rate for each period.  The doubling rate is the the number of days it takes the number of  Americans testing positive for Covid-19 to double.  Russ was absolutely correct that as of March 12 and for several days thereafter, the doubling rate was 2.  

According to the calculations below the doubling rate for each one week period is:

March 15-21:  2 days
March 22-28:  3.2 days
March 29- April 4:  5.3 days


All of this data and analysis is available elsewhere, but sometimes it is hard to find and interpret.  Given that the social distancing measures started in earnest in a lot of places between March 15-21, I think that this analysis shows pretty well that these efforts have had a rapid effect.  Yes, Rich, maybe the infection rate would have slowed just as rapidly through natural causes, I doubt it though.   Will the social distancing etc. efforts be enough to avoid overwhelming the health care system?  For most places, I personally remain optimistic.

Jim

April 7, 2020 11:41 PM Forum: Politics

Covid-19 data and graphs

Posted By James Brown

p.s.  I did not know how to calculate the doubling rate off the top of my head!  The numbers I calculated are consistent with numbers others have published.  If you disagree with my math, feel free to post a polite reply.

https://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-Doubling-Time

April 7, 2020 11:51 PM Forum: Politics

Covid-19 data and graphs

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Blah Blah Blah.
No reply required.

April 8, 2020 12:01 AM Forum: Politics

Covid-19 data and graphs

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Yeah I know, that's what pussy cowards like yourself do, you run and hide like the maggot you are.

And just to correct your lies about me, when you lied and said I mocked Russ Carroll, let me put up what I stated about Russ Carroll

Russ Carroll understands that, which is why HE like most RATIONAL people think doubling when they think of exponential growth.

So in other words, I didn't mock him, I indicated in my posting that he's rational, but he infers what most normal people infer when they speak of exponential growth.

Most rational people don't think 2 ^1.07 power when they think exponential growth.

Next time you want to lie about my postings, expect a response similar to the one above.  wink
Ok, I'll correct my original post to show that you were mocking me, not Russ.