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Posts Made By: Paul Kammueller

December 2, 2003 04:50 PM Forum: Religion

Religion, guys, and "I don't know" complex

Posted By Paul Kammueller

Much has been made of fear of death as the prime motivator of religion.

But I wonder how much religious doctrine has really resulted from a guy's reluctance to say "I don't know" in response to any question? I mean, most of you are guys, you know what I'm talking about. The need to come with an answer, any answer, even a wrong answer, is better than "I don't know". My wife talks about this all the time. :-D

December 17, 2003 02:45 PM Forum: Religion

Re: why all this effort?

Posted By Paul Kammueller

>>I detect so much hate in your arguments.<<

And this is one of our more polite discussions. ;-) Stick around, things get plenty nastier than this!

If I may be serious for a moment (it's hard), the nature of this forum is one of often heated debate. Sometimes it's a slow burn or a simmer, sometimes it's set all the way up to broil.

It's not about hate or destroying anything. Everyone on this forum is simply out to combat ideas that they feel are so shatteringly wrong they cannot remain silent about it. It's Enlightenment vs. Ignorance, and bouncing arguments off each other about why I'm right you're wrong yada yada yada.

It's the nature of the beast, and the reason this forum was created, to keep this rubbish from polluting the astronomy-related forums. It's also dangerously addicting sometimes. :-D

December 17, 2003 08:47 PM Forum: Religion

The moral compass

Posted By Paul Kammueller

The origin of the 'moral compass' is, and always has been, the necessity of being able to function in a society. We have organized things to the extent that we are nearly helpless as lone individuals.

While you are free to do so, generally the groundless 'if it feels good do it' approach gets you nowhere. Every society has its deviants, and while there are exceptions those whose moral compass is deviant generally find themselves eliminated from participation in the society. Those whose moral compass is sound and intact generally realize that their actions for the betterment of the society also generally serve to better themselves.

January 10, 2004 05:57 AM Forum: Religion

Making god in 'my' image...

Posted By Paul Kammueller

an interesting observation over the past year or so...

It seems to me that individuals tend to make their god in their own image personality-wise.

Those who tend to be fairly open-minded individuals tend to have a fairly sane and reasonable view of God. He sounds like an enlightened person and a generally Nice Guy.

Those who tend to be extreme in their viewpoints tend to have a God that is also very extreme, if not outright malevolent, having a very narrow and absolutist avenue of judgement (which predictably ensures that this particular believer is saved, while condemning to 'god's wrath' other believers whose beliefs vary slightly from this believer's view or other miscellaneous do-gooders).

A curious phenomenon indeed.

January 18, 2004 03:39 PM Forum: Religion

Re: Why bother discussing religion?

Posted By Paul Kammueller

>>There is not a singular person here who will change their mind about their religious views due to anything stated on this forum. Period. To the contrary, I think it only makes people more adamant in their position.<<

None of us comes here to be productive. :-)

>>Personally, my quality of life has improved immensely since I ceased this fruitless endeavor. That, and I "feel the love" again for my Christian neighbors - another thing seriously impacted by these heated discussions.<<

Yeah right. You'll be back, mister.

>>So, how about some politics?<<

Pffft. Yeah. That's MUCH more productive, LOL. ;-)

February 17, 2004 04:51 AM Forum: Investment Discussions

Fun with charts -- 30yr trends & ranges

Posted By Paul Kammueller

This was a fun little graphic manipulation. Took the 30-year chart of the Nasdaq composite on a logarithmic scale. Digitally sheared the image to bring the long-term uptrend to a flat horizontal orientation. From this, one can draw straight horizontal lines connecting upper and lower extremities of said index representing maximal deviations from the long-term trend centerline. If I've even drawn it roughly right, the Nasdaq's current position is right around that center trendline right now. What this would imply is that the rally of the last year has now fully relieved the deeply oversold condition of late 2002. Similar past oversold bottoms and recoveries in 1973-74 and 1990-91 were followed by corrections, one sharp (1974) and one barely perceptible (1991) before continued rallying. The recent rounded 'humping' pattern being generated by the nasdaq last few weeks has been relieving the overbought condition of the rally like air being let ever so slowly out of a tire. There may be a correction in the offing even so, but it's hard to count on it happening at this point. The market could simply asymptotically 'revert to the mean' onto the center trendline.

February 17, 2004 05:08 AM Forum: Investment Discussions

Another chart-squishing -- S&P500

Posted By Paul Kammueller

Just for fun, here's another compressed and sheared 35 year log chart, this time of the ol' S&P500 index.


May 14, 2004 05:07 AM Forum: Religion

Existence, the "Self" & Mental Modeling

Posted By Paul Kammueller

I have spent some time thinking about this. Let's see if anyone wants to chew on it :-)

Much has been said of desire for life being an impetus for belief in certain things. I suspect that it actually goes far beyond a case of simple "need" -- after all, animals seem to deal with their own death somewhat more gracefully -- and they have self-preservation instinct like all of us, but when they become morbidly ill many pets will seem content to crawl off into a dark corner to quietly meet their end.

What is it about humans? Yes there is the power of abstract thought that gives us more possibilities, but I think it goes beyond that, to the actual structure of the way we think about and perceive things. I say "things", because, that's really how we perceive everything isn't it. We think about people, places, cars, houses, trees, telescopes, etc. as more or less permanent "objects" in space, although they may change form (a car becomes scrap metal, etc.) we perceive that the "things", or the things they consist of, more or less always "exist".

Which brings us to the notion of the "self". This perception of the "I", the "me" the very nucleus of our consciousness, and therefore our 'existence'. Because we can perceive "it", we give it a name, the "soul", the "spirit", and we treat it like another "thing" in space.

But here's the rub: consciousness is not a "thing". It is an "event" -- a process, an instant in time, which represents the conversion of energy (through sensory stimuli) into information in the brain (memories) -- or, as in the case of thought, using energy (produced by food) to reprocess existing information in the brain. The brain itself is not, of course, the consciousness -- a dead brain (or even a nondreaming sleeping brain) is not conscious -- rather, the consciousness is the process, the "event" of certain activities within it.

As any such space-time "event" one would expect this event to have a certain span, an appropriate place for it in time, just as an "object" spans a certain amount of space. But our natural mental inclination to model the self as a "thing" rather than a space-time "event" predisposes us to lend it object-like permanence. Death, then is not so much an end of 'existence' per se, since one then never really 'existed' in the sense that we usually use the word anyway -- rather, it is more accurate to describe it as a boundary condition of a space-time "event".

May 22, 2004 04:10 AM Forum: Religion

Kinda dead around here

Posted By Paul Kammueller

OK, the other forums are coming back to life. What's our problem here? Do we need some new material? :C

May 23, 2004 05:02 AM Forum: Religion

Thought for the day

Posted By Paul Kammueller

"...I thought you had reservations about the gods?"

"Privately I believe in none of them. Neither do you. Publicly I believe in them all!"

-- Senator Gracchus (played by Charles Laughton) in the movie Spartacus (1960)