Posts Made By: James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I don't need to consider the position of any thugs or rioters who just got done burning down buildings and committing other crimes that they were let to do by the ignorant, pathetic leftists who are out there running those cities....

At this point, I'm not interested in hearing anything that these criminal thugs have to say. 

Precisely, that was my point.  You could have saved a lot of keystrokes by simply typing: "Agreed"

Jim

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Demonstrators? You mean rioters right? Demonstrators dont break down locked gates/destroy property and shout terroristic threats and threaten homeowners on their own property. Their position was just flat wrong.... and the McCloskeys would have been within their rights to start shooting them.

Your position on this one is the laughable one.....

Greg:

Rioters should be arrested.  The McCloskeys have a perfectly legal right to defend their home from rioters, looters and other criminals.  No argument from me.  Please don't waste our time by arguing that (A) peaceful protesters do not exist or that (B) I don't know the difference.

Here is my point:  whether the crowd of 300 were rioters or demonstrators is a question of fact.  You and Rich have made your decision that they are criminal  rioters based upon the information available to you.  I am suggesting (A) You might be right, but you should recognize that your sources are biased and self-curated and (B) There are often two sides to any story, especially a story based in viral video, you might be wrong.  

 Objectively we do not know yet whether this crowd of 300 were criminals illegally threatening the McCloskeys or not.   Like I said a couple of times, I think the McCloskeys will more likely than not effectively assert self defense.  Won't know until the real evidence is in.

Jim

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll

Here are 2 other beauties from Mencken. I'll just wait patiently for Greg to post these:

"I admit freely enough that, by careful breeding, supervision of environment and education, extending over many generations, it might be possible to make an appreciable improvement in the stock of the American Negro, for example, but I must maintain that this enterprise would be a ridiculous waste of energy, for there is a high-caste white stock ready at hand, and it is inconceivable that the Negro stock, however carefully it might be nurtured, could ever even remotely approach it. The educated Negro of today is a failure, not because he meets insuperable difficulties in life, but because he is a Negro. He is, in brief, a low-caste man, to the manner born, and he will remain inert and inefficient until fifty generations of him have lived in civilization. And even then, the superior white race will be fifty generations ahead of him."

and

"The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant race ever heard of. As commonly encountered, they lack many of the qualities that mark the civilized man: courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, confidence. They have vanity without pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom. Their fortitude, such as it is, is wasted upon puerile objects, and their charity is mainly a form of display."

Yikes - those are pretty bad.  I had no idea.

Jim

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

And just for the record, when they are in other neighborhoods, nowhere near your house, they are called protesters and Demonstrators by fools like yourself. 

However when they are on your street and they are busting up your house, damaging your property, and threatening your family, suddenly they become rioters.

Funny how that works for liberal Republicans like yourself. 

No, if they are marching, carrying signs and chanting slogans they are protesters.  If they are throwing things at the cops, lighting fires, destroying property, smashing windows and the like they are rioters.  Why is this so difficult for you?

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Nadler and Jim Brown seem to be on the same page and on the same wavelength.   
 

Again, what in the world are you talking about?  I am a law and order supporter.  The rioters in Portland should be arrested.  I suspect the only difference between our points of view is that I believe that these rioters have all of the rights and protections granted the criminally accused. 

Would you string 'em up based solely upon what you saw in some viral video?

Jim 

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

You have no point when you spin and mislead with respect to my statements.

Let me put the full statement I posted rather than your truncated, cherry picked portion of my statement so that context can be understood.

I don't need to consider the position of any thugs or rioters who just got done burning down buildings and committing other crimes that they were let to do by the ignorant, pathetic leftists who are out there running those cities....

At this point, I'm not interested in hearing anything that these criminal thugs have to say.

So no, I don't agree with your deceptions of what I said. 

I'll agree with you on the boldfaced portion of your response above, so rather than words......

Charming.  I'll take that as acknowledgement that you cannot rebut my point.

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Let me put the full statement I posted rather than your truncated, cherry picked portion of my statement so that context can be understood.  

p.s.  This is pretty darned funny, but I doubt you'll understand that the joke is on you.

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

As Bugs Bunny says, what a maroon! 

I suppose this is less juvenile than the flipped bird you cribbed from Greg, but it is close.

Jim

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Dang....and I was going to keep it reserved for Rod.....but you earned it.

No worries.  Your emoji is not persuasive and has little or no shock value.   Use it if you like.  I'll continue to try to reach you with words.

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Starting to appreciate why Rich says you are full of shit...... IF you destroy property to gain access to a private residence you are NOT a protestor or a demonstrator. Those 2 stand outside locked gates they dont tear them down.... I never alluded to peaceful protestors do not exist, stop setting up straw men.....

OK, I agree with the bolded part.  But I  appreciate your emphasis on IF in your IF/NOT statement.  Have you seen this video: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDs835Lo9Y&t=7s

Original, you'll have to click "view"  https://twitter.com/i/status/1277742108984647686

The gate appears to have been unlocked, and in fine shape as at least some of the "300 individuals" entered the neighborhood. I'll repeat for emphasis:  It does not appear that the gate was either locked or destroyed to gain access to private property.  Hmm, does that change things?  Maybe yes, maybe no.

See the screen shot below and the first 12 seconds of the video for the gate.  Watch the whole thing to see Mr. McCloskey pop up with his rifle.   

I have also seen pictures of the gate twisted and destroyed, see below.  The McCloskey's reported to the cops that the crowd destroyed the gate on the way in.  That is their side of the story.  The truth of this fact might be important to their self defense argument.  It might be a minor side point.  Some relevant questions though:

1.  When was the gate destroyed?
2.  Who destroyed it?
3.  What was the rest of the crowd doing when the gate was destroyed?
4.  What were the McCloskey's doing when the gate was destroyed?
5.  Had the gate been destroyed when the McCloskey's started their armed defense?


I am not full of shit.  We agree that peaceful protesters exist.  We agree that violent rioting criminals exist.  I am trying to explain and demonstrate to you that we do not have sufficient facts to determine whether the actions of these "300 individuals" justified the McCloskey's response.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  Time will tell.

Jim

p.s.  updated to include original video - has a few more seconds on the front.  Also, does not have the more aggressive defense by Ms. McCloskey tacked on.  Another fact question - how long between the first video of the nice young (albeit large) protester holding the unlocked door open for folks and the time someone destroyed the gate?