Posts Made By: James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

You told me in no uncertain terms that you wanted nothing to do with me.  Did you not? 

Believe me, I'm cool with that. Why aren't you? 

Of course I am trying to bury the hatchet and reengage with you on "normal" terms.  If you are not interested, I am fine with that.  I'll tune you out to the extent possible.

Jim

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

As I said before many times.  I actually give a damn about your kids and other young adults in our society who WILL have to deal with a Democrat Presidency and a Democrat Congress, and a party that has become a radical leftist party, one that plans to destroy this country because they hate the structure and the US Constitution.

Don't worry about it, I give a s*** about the young up and coming adults even if you don't.

One last question though... Speaking of my kids, the older one enlisted in the Air Force about two years ago but was discharged 1/2 way through basic training because a routine eye exam showed incipient kerataconus (abnormal corneas).  He was emotionally crushed.  The Air Force had been his plan for quite a while.  He came home and we got his eyes fixed, he sees 20/20 without glasses now, but he is forever ineligible to serve.  Regulations.

Rather than mope about life's hard knocks he started working nights and enrolled in EMT classes at the community college.  He graduated and now works as a 911 ambulance EMT in a neighboring Rocky Mountain State.  He sees all kinds of awful stuff every day and has saved several lives.  He is starting paramedic courses this fall - EMTs make less that $15/hour - think about that next time you go into cardiac arrest and call 911!  The guy or gal doing chest compression makes less than a burger flipper at McDonald's.

Me and his mother could not be more proud of the way he bounced back.  He is making a difference in people's lives, making a difference in the world.  

You graduated nursing school!  How in God's name can you sit in your computer room all day long being hateful over and over again to people who try to reach out to you on this stinking forum!  You could have made a difference in so many lives in nursing.  What the hell happened to you?

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll

Remember how herd immunity wiped out the common cold? Yeah, neither do I.

Can't wait for my annual cold vaccine!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Common_cold

Hi Russ:

I am well aware that there is no vaccine for the common cold.  Consider the NY graphs and the CA graphs.  Do you think the NY is that much better at social distancing than California?  If it is something more than just social distancing, how do you explain the fact that NY peaked early and is now experiencing low infection rates, while CA peaked late and is now experiencing high infection rates?  The NY graph is dramatic.  I'm sure you've seen it.

Another thing; if COVID 19 is not going to be curbed by herd immunity, and it like the common cold is not going to be amenable to vaccine or treatment, (and I am afraid you might be right about that), then we ought to just bite the bullet, open everything and get used to a couple 100k more old and compromised people dying each year.  Sucks to be a mammal.  

Humans did not evolve to thrive in a socially distanced environment.  I strongly support suffering through SD for a while.  Not forever.  If time proves there is no cure, no vaccine and no herd immunity, and there might not be, then I am going to ditch the mask and get on with life.  Sometimes evolution deals the species a crummy hand.

Jim

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll

Remember how herd immunity wiped out the common cold? Yeah, neither do I.

Can't wait for my annual cold vaccine!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Common_cold

p.s.  Herd immunity will never wipe out CV19 and of course you know that.  The idea is that the disease is present but suppressed enough that we can live with the consequences.  Something like the flu with 60k dead or so a year would be tolerable.  Since you mocked herd immunity, I am genuinely interested in how you explain the hard data of the NY (and the other NE state's) infection graphs:

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

All my love, Rich   

Cool, the BME stuff is very interesting.  I work with BMEs every day. 

You literally dish out 10x more nastiness, venom and insults than anyone else on this forum or anyone who has been on this forum in the past 15 years.  I believe you when you say you are a nice guy in real life.  I am not sure why you bring such spite to your postings.  I have never called you a POS for example, contrary to your post.  Never.  You really cannot play the victim card.

Here is the deal, I am happy to discuss, argue and debate politics with anyone here who treats other participants with respect.  I love it when the debate gets passionate and heated.  I hate it when it devolves into personal attacks.  

So, I'm happy to debate you, heck, I agree with a lot of stuff you post.  but I'm done with the personal attacks.  Whether we engage in the future is up to you.

Jim

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Many Trumptoids typically wear their masks below their noses which is how you breath in and out the virus. Again, what would a Dick do?

My son showed me this Meme several weeks ago.  Very funny.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

I think the wild card here continues to be compliance. Based upon what we've seen so far, there's optimism about the vaccines being successful without significant adverse reactions. However, recent polling indicates a third to a half of those surveyed won't take the vaccination. So, herd immunity is problematic at best. 
It's not the vaccine, it's the people...

Hi Rod:

Is compliance in California really all that terrible?  That much worse than NY or CT, MA, or NJ?  Do you think the NJ bad boys and Jersey girls are complying better than the buttoned-down wusses in silicon valley?  I think there must be something more at work here than just human compliance.   Obviously I don't know, but these graphs sure don't look like compliance differentials, not if you've ever been to Jersey anyway.    Jim

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll

I wasn't actually trying to mock herd immunity. I know almost nothing about infectious diseases. 100% of my point is that it is almost presumed that either a vaccine or immunity will save the day. I do know this is completely unknown and it is possibly completely false. It is scary that this illness is carried by the same package as the common cold. There is no vaccine for the common cold, and you never get long-term immunity from a cold and can get the same one again in months to a year, not years or forever. 

I agree with that.  I am not an expert either, although Rich will note that I pretend to be one on a small internet forum...

I believe that you don't actually get the precise "same" common cold year after year.  The problem is that RNA viruses mutate a bit all the time, so you get a slightly different cold each year.  This of course makes vaccines and immunity problematic at best.  DNA viruses like Chicken Pox, Measles and so on are much better behaved so it is often one and done with a childhood infection or a vaccine.

I recognize that this is bad news if the CV19 behaves like it's brother the common cold.  Fortunately, the evolutionary pressure for infectious diseases is usually away from lethality.

If we recognize in the next year or so that (A) herd immunity is not an option, and (B) vaccines are impossible, I am dead serious that most folks, me included, are just going to get on with life and take our chances.  What choice do we have?

Jim

Originally Posted by James Brown

If we recognize in the next year or so that (A) herd immunity is not an option, and (B) vaccines are impossible, I am dead serious that most folks, me included, are just going to get on with life and take our chances.  What choice do we have?

Jim

Ought to mention that non-vaccine therapies might be the best bet.  I believe that Tamiflu and the like are pretty good at saving lives in the most dire flu cases.  We really don't need a therapy for the common cold because it is so rarely lethal or debilitating.  Jim

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I really don't give a shit about you and your olive branch.

Fool me once:  'shame on you'
Fool me twice:  'shame on me'
Fool me 10 or 15 times:  'wake up and smell the coffee Mr. Brown'

So it goes.