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July 28, 2020 03:00 AM Forum: Politics

Heard of Helmut Norpoth?

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
It's your avatar, sure enough...

July 28, 2020 04:10 AM Forum: Politics

Heard of Helmut Norpoth?

Posted By Greg Shaffer

You guys must be forgetting that historically quite a few candidates for President have shown a clear 10% lead in the polls several months prior (including about now) and lost dramatically.....

July 28, 2020 08:37 AM Forum: Politics

The Trump Wallace Redux

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hogwash.  Laughable.  You have not considered the position of the demonstrators in the McCloskey case one bit.  

Jim

Demonstrators? You mean rioters right? Demonstrators dont break down locked gates/destroy property and shout terroristic threats and threaten homeowners on their own property. Their position was just flat wrong.... and the McCloskeys would have been within their rights to start shooting them.

Your position on this one is the laughable one.....

July 29, 2020 02:44 AM Forum: Politics

Bye Bye Brian Stelter?

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Brown

I suppose this is less juvenile than the flipped bird you cribbed from Greg, but it is close.

Jim

Dang....and I was going to keep it reserved for Rod.....but you earned it.

July 29, 2020 02:50 AM Forum: Politics

The Trump Wallace Redux

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Brown

Greg:

Rioters should be arrested.  The McCloskeys have a perfectly legal right to defend their home from rioters, looters and other criminals.  No argument from me.  Please don't waste our time by arguing that (A) peaceful protesters do not exist or that (B) I don't know the difference.

Here is my point:  whether the crowd of 300 were rioters or demonstrators is a question of fact.  You and Rich have made your decision that they are criminal  rioters based upon the information available to you.  I am suggesting (A) You might be right, but you should recognize that your sources are biased and self-curated and (B) There are often two sides to any story, especially a story based in viral video, you might be wrong.  

 Objectively we do not know yet whether this crowd of 300 were criminals illegally threatening the McCloskeys or not.   Like I said a couple of times, I think the McCloskeys will more likely than not effectively assert self defense.  Won't know until the real evidence is in.

Jim


Starting to appreciate why Rich says you are full of shit...... IF you destroy property to gain access to a private residence you are NOT a protestor or a demonstrator. Those 2 stand outside locked gates they dont tear them down.... I never alluded to peaceful protestors do not exist, stop setting up straw men.....

July 29, 2020 02:52 AM Forum: Politics

Bye Bye Brian Stelter?

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Brown

No worries.  Your emoji is not persuasive and has little or no shock value.   Use it if you like.  I'll continue to try to reach you with words.

You will NEVER reach me by putting words in my mouth as you did in the other topic I just responded to....

July 29, 2020 02:54 AM Forum: Politics

Nadler: That's a myth that's being spread only in D.C.

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Certainly if the video showed them destroying property and physically attacking people.....

July 29, 2020 04:09 AM Forum: Politics

The Trump Wallace Redux

Posted By Greg Shaffer

You seem to be altering your tactics.....

You said "Please don't waste our time by arguing that (A) peaceful protesters do not exist or that (B) I don't know the difference." in an earlier post to me implying I said I had said something like that.....

That is what got you the "full of shit" line as I have not said nor implied anything of the sort.....

Its been too long now to go back and find the early on reporting that showed the property in full with the broken gate and people crowding in on their house.....The caption of the pic you showed of the gate implies it is on a nearby property.....the pics I saw showed clearly it was a side gate to their property....

July 29, 2020 04:15 AM Forum: Politics

Nadler: That's a myth that's being spread only in D.C.

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Brown

Ha Ha, point taken.  

But seriously, I am unaware of any video showing the McCloskeys being physically attacked or property being destroyed.  

If you have video of the crowd at the McCloskey's showing a physical attack or property being destroyed, please post a link in the other thread.  I'll repost this over there too.

Jim

Moving the goal posts all around are we? This topic seemed to be talking about Portland.....my comment above was about Portland and completely unrelated to the McCloskeys. Nor have I ever intimated I saw video of the McCloskeys being attacked......Had they been actually physically attacked I imagine someone would have been hauled away in an ambulance lol

July 29, 2020 04:20 AM Forum: Politics

The Trump Wallace Redux

Posted By Greg Shaffer

Nothing helps more than being clear and precise smile