The biggest threat to world peacePosted By Steve Hoff |
So, plain and simple, we stop supporting Israel and everyone goes back to their corners and is content? The despotic governments that routinely starve their people lock them up torture them by the thousands, would all turn over power of their governments over to the will of the people. So that consensual governments could be formed, sounds like a good deal to me. Sadly, not likely. Would you stop supporting your friend(s) if the group pressured you to do so?
You are correct in that the U.S. does use its veto power when needed to support its goals, (or, to thwart those of other governments. But, you also have to admit that other countries on the security council also Routinely play their veto to thwart the U.S.’s agenda (a little tit-for-tat, eh?), you might also agree that there is a LOT of back scratching going on behind closed doors, and probably hypocritical open air pandering to the “base” by the respective diplomats to their country of origin. I agree with you whole-heartedly that the UN is a relic that never lived up to it’s potential, and should now be discarded. I have little interest in Syria telling that my countries human rights record is abhorrent.
I have no way of determining if Ahmadinejad is smarter, or dumber than Bush, and I don’t think you do either. All either of us can do is recite what we here in the media. True, Bush is inarticulate as hell, but is that really a determiner of raw intelligence? If you read the “experts” when they analyze the college grades and writings, Bush comes out with a higher IQ than Al Gore (I do seem to remember that both had comparable college transcripts, with Bush’s being slightly higher). I have watched Ahmadinejad on TV (60 minutes and some other show, and, he is smooth, he answers questions with questions, he tells the interviewer that he is smart, and his interviewer doesn’t (didn’t) press him when he didn’t answer. Does that make him smarter? I don’t think so.
China and Russia, gee, I don’t know what to think of them. Both of them have human rights records that put the rest of the world to shame (including the Zionist Israel…how many Israeli citizens have been murdered by their own government, I cant remember). Russia is loosing 700k people per year compared to their birth rate (they desperately need hard currency and labor, or they will cease to exist as they are). Putin just had one of his out spoken critics in the press murdered. China, still keeps their stock market “hidden” there is no way to determine if their companies are making money, or are being propped up by the government (i.e. how solvent is their economy, if it falters, it will bring many of us down.). They are killing and displacing thousands as they prepare to put on a show for the Olympics. Yes, they are gobbling up resources hand over fist, but do to their population control measures, in 20-25 years, they will be out of young workers, who will support the economy so that the old people can get their government subsidies? It will be interesting to watch how these two deal with the cards they have been dealt (as well as the ones they have played). What would you do if you were them, would you sidle up to the neighborhood crackpot?
Ahmadinejad, I don’t see him as a direct threat (same as you, yes?). I do see him as a troublemaker whose goals are to stir the pot and see what trouble boils over (he wants prestige, like many people). Yes, I think he will try to play the U.S. do I think he will be successful? I don’t know, again, to make that conclusion requires more info than I have (or a damn good crystal ball). As far as nuclear weapons, when was the last time Israel threatened a neighbor with nuclear weapons? When did Israel admit that it has nuclear weapons? When did Israel tell the world that it (the world) would be better off without ________(fill in the blank)? If you remember some of the incursions into the Palestinian territories by Israel, they often did things that militarily were foolish so as to minimize collateral damage. Do you think some of Israel’s neighbors would extend the same courtesy if they were to engage Israel in an open conflict? How many Israeli soldiers killed themselves with suicide bomb as they stepped onto busses with Palestinian children? I can’t think of any. You are from the Ontario area, so you get U.S. news? As well as your own, do you follow the papers in Europe? How do you know that only the U.S. is concerned with Iran’s nuclear capability? Besides, considering the history the U.S. has with Iran, it isn’t strange at all to me that we might be more concerned about Iran’s nuclear ambitions than some other countries. It is funny though that in your statement, there are comments that the U.S. should be considerate about everyone else’s “feelings”, yet, you don’t seem to hold the same reciprocal opinions for the “feelings” of the U.S., or did I misinterpret?
You are correct in that the U.S. does use its veto power when needed to support its goals, (or, to thwart those of other governments. But, you also have to admit that other countries on the security council also Routinely play their veto to thwart the U.S.’s agenda (a little tit-for-tat, eh?), you might also agree that there is a LOT of back scratching going on behind closed doors, and probably hypocritical open air pandering to the “base” by the respective diplomats to their country of origin. I agree with you whole-heartedly that the UN is a relic that never lived up to it’s potential, and should now be discarded. I have little interest in Syria telling that my countries human rights record is abhorrent.
I have no way of determining if Ahmadinejad is smarter, or dumber than Bush, and I don’t think you do either. All either of us can do is recite what we here in the media. True, Bush is inarticulate as hell, but is that really a determiner of raw intelligence? If you read the “experts” when they analyze the college grades and writings, Bush comes out with a higher IQ than Al Gore (I do seem to remember that both had comparable college transcripts, with Bush’s being slightly higher). I have watched Ahmadinejad on TV (60 minutes and some other show, and, he is smooth, he answers questions with questions, he tells the interviewer that he is smart, and his interviewer doesn’t (didn’t) press him when he didn’t answer. Does that make him smarter? I don’t think so.
China and Russia, gee, I don’t know what to think of them. Both of them have human rights records that put the rest of the world to shame (including the Zionist Israel…how many Israeli citizens have been murdered by their own government, I cant remember). Russia is loosing 700k people per year compared to their birth rate (they desperately need hard currency and labor, or they will cease to exist as they are). Putin just had one of his out spoken critics in the press murdered. China, still keeps their stock market “hidden” there is no way to determine if their companies are making money, or are being propped up by the government (i.e. how solvent is their economy, if it falters, it will bring many of us down.). They are killing and displacing thousands as they prepare to put on a show for the Olympics. Yes, they are gobbling up resources hand over fist, but do to their population control measures, in 20-25 years, they will be out of young workers, who will support the economy so that the old people can get their government subsidies? It will be interesting to watch how these two deal with the cards they have been dealt (as well as the ones they have played). What would you do if you were them, would you sidle up to the neighborhood crackpot?
Ahmadinejad, I don’t see him as a direct threat (same as you, yes?). I do see him as a troublemaker whose goals are to stir the pot and see what trouble boils over (he wants prestige, like many people). Yes, I think he will try to play the U.S. do I think he will be successful? I don’t know, again, to make that conclusion requires more info than I have (or a damn good crystal ball). As far as nuclear weapons, when was the last time Israel threatened a neighbor with nuclear weapons? When did Israel admit that it has nuclear weapons? When did Israel tell the world that it (the world) would be better off without ________(fill in the blank)? If you remember some of the incursions into the Palestinian territories by Israel, they often did things that militarily were foolish so as to minimize collateral damage. Do you think some of Israel’s neighbors would extend the same courtesy if they were to engage Israel in an open conflict? How many Israeli soldiers killed themselves with suicide bomb as they stepped onto busses with Palestinian children? I can’t think of any. You are from the Ontario area, so you get U.S. news? As well as your own, do you follow the papers in Europe? How do you know that only the U.S. is concerned with Iran’s nuclear capability? Besides, considering the history the U.S. has with Iran, it isn’t strange at all to me that we might be more concerned about Iran’s nuclear ambitions than some other countries. It is funny though that in your statement, there are comments that the U.S. should be considerate about everyone else’s “feelings”, yet, you don’t seem to hold the same reciprocal opinions for the “feelings” of the U.S., or did I misinterpret?
on something, I must add that I do disagree with your premise of your first paragraph (commenting on "the bigger question". How do you know what parameters people are using to answer this question? I just gave examples (albeit biased and partisan in regards to my thoughts on the libs....but, they do hate Bush), as well as an example as to why conservatives in this case(me) might be dissatisfied with the current administration. but, I also articulated at least one point as to why I supported the current admin.