Posts Made By: Darin Joeckel

June 12, 2010 05:05 PM Forum: Religion

Re: Do Chris, Clyde, and Rod exist?

Posted By Darin Joeckel

[QUOTE]Scott Satko said:

"I am currently in possession of no more undisputable proof that you exist than in possession of undisputable proof that God exists."



Sorry to get involved here again Scott. It may be true that you currently have no proof of Rod's existence, but the difference is, this information is readily available if you wish to seek it out. The proof of god, on the other hand, is much more elusive.

Darin

June 17, 2010 12:33 AM Forum: Birding Optics and Photos

Wild turkeys

Posted By Darin Joeckel

Here's one more close up. It was about ready to storm so the light wasn't too great.

June 17, 2010 01:54 AM Forum: Birding Optics and Photos

Wild turkeys

Posted By Darin Joeckel

I just noticed that I attached the wrong pic of the winner of the strut-off. I had some pretty bad vignetting going on in that one. This one is better.

June 22, 2010 09:12 PM Forum: Religion

Fear?

Posted By Darin Joeckel



OK, why fear God?

With no evidence of god(s) there is nothing to fear.

Certainly if God created me and knows me better than I know myself, I have no reason to fear.

This brings up another question: What would be the point of creating us? The only answer I see is that this deity created us merely for entertainment. This doesn't seem loving or vengeful, just a little dickish (sorry about the language, but it seemed appropriate).

I hardly think the creator of the Universe would be so offended by an inferior being that he'd behave like a spoiled child and smoke the whole planet over my inability to cope with challenges he has purposefully provided.

It's the fictitious deity's game. I suppose if he wants to start a new one, what's to stop him?

Certainly God has more maturity, peace of mind and patience than my Dad. I offended him quite a bit and he never banished me to an eternity of torture.

Once again, more reason to devote yourself to your family than to superstition.



Obviously, my responses are the ones in bold type.

Darin








July 2, 2010 12:20 AM Forum: Eyepieces

Binoviewer

Posted By Darin Joeckel

Steve Hollenbach said:

Hi All,
I have a question about bino-viewers in general. I know they don't actually provide a wider field or magically increase the number of photons.

However, my question is; even with a split light path, does the use of both eyes improve the percieved visual presentation of the night sky? Does the picture formed in the brain "see" more detail?

I looked through one and didn't see a whole lot of difference than through a single high quality EP.

Thanks,
Steve
8)


Hey Steve,
I actually haven't even looked through one, but have wondered the same things. It seems that quite of few people think they're great. To me though, it just seems like a marketing gimmick to get you to double up on your eyepieces. Hopefully someone with experience using one will chime in.

July 7, 2010 02:42 AM Forum: Religion

Science v. Religion?

Posted By Darin Joeckel

Robert Provin said:

Jim Brown said:

Hi Guys:

I linked to this Stephen J. Gould essay this morning, but it was buried deep in a deep thread. Sleeping with the fishes so to speak. I read the entire essay at lunch. Like all Gould essays it is shockingly well written and provocative. As I'm sure you know, Gould was a paleontologist and evolutionary biologist professionally, but he is perhaps best known as an essayist who brought evolution to the masses. He was a humanist. Sadly, Gould died at the too young age of 60 a few years back. Gould testified as an expert for the plaintiffs in the landmark McLean v. Arkansas creationism trial. He even voiced himself in an episode of The Simpsons.

http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/lehre/SS05/efs/materials/FlatEarth.pdf

This essay was published in 1995. I think that Gould's summation of the complimentary and non-exclusive relationship between the institutions of science and religion, which may be found near the end of the essay, is both insightful and important.

Read the whole thing, it's really quite good.

Jim

Here is a short review of Gould's NOMA concept that pretty much reflects the views of many scientists:

http://www.godslasteraar.org/html/gould_s_non_overlapping_magist.html

For my part, NOMA is a quaint fiction since many of faith feel science is in error when it contradicts their myths. The evidence does not count. Then they want to have their myths taught in our science classrooms, I suppose to correct the perceived errors!

Robert

Robert,
I just now saw your link. Thanks. My skepticism is growing.

July 10, 2010 04:47 PM Forum: Religion

Why Religious Arguments Fail

Posted By Darin Joeckel

John Agnew said:

An interesting video on why religious arguments (from either side) fail most of the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L9c7rG6Urs


John,
Great find. Everything said in this video mirrors what goes on here, and I hope all of the regular posters watch it. It was funny how the producer threw in an occasional nice looking women to keep the viewers attention. He must have been a marketing major smile

July 19, 2010 01:18 AM Forum: Religion

Catholic Church's "New Norms"

Posted By Darin Joeckel

John Agnew said:

The Catholic Church recently revised its own laws on clerical sex abuse and the ordination of women.
It increased its own statute of limitations on clerical sex abuse of children from ten to twenty years, but remained silent on reporting clerics to the police. It also declared that the ordination of women is a "grave sin against the church" and such matters are handled by the same office that handles sex abuse cases. No wonder people are leaving the church by the tens of thousands... that happens when the people are enlightened a lot faster than the patriarchs.
You can listen to the entire report on NPR's "Morning Edition" (about 3.5 minutes)
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=3
it's the fourth story down the list of links.

John,
Sorry I started my own thread on this topic. I see you were two days ahead of me! 8O If I would have seen yours this morning, I would have just replied to it. I'll look closer before starting a thread from now on. wink

July 27, 2010 10:24 PM Forum: Religion

newbie regrets

Posted By Darin Joeckel

Daniel Unger said:

last month i paid $12 to join astromart's forum,
but deeply regret it:
most forum updates are on the subject of religion !

to those that answered my brief question in the beginner's section,
i am deeply thankful,
but it is obvious that,
aside from being free,
cloudy nights' quality and quantity of discussions
is light years ahead.

ps.
i dont mean to be disrespectful,
but i always thought that observing the heavens,
would sooner or later trigger some curiosity about physics or geology (perhaps biology?),
even to those with no former background in either,
but to my surprise,
one finds biblical "astronomers" in here.
oh well,
then again,
newton loved his bible...


Your $12 also gains you access to the classifieds, and IMO CN's can't touch. I have yet to have a bad transaction here. If a scammer does happen to get in, he is quickly exposed, and his account is yanked immediately. Astromart is THE safest place to buy and sell astro equipment, period. If your interest in this hobby continues, this is a resource you definitely won't want to do without (HUGE money saver). Another good thing about this site is that all members are required to use their real names. I think this cuts down drastically on dishonesty. So anyway, give it a little more time. This site will grow on you and arguing on this forum is pretty fun as well. Feel free to join in.

August 1, 2010 05:16 PM Forum: Religion

Does Christianity really foster better families?

Posted By Darin Joeckel

John Agnew said:

Our discussion about gay marriage seems to center around the family and whether gays would be acceptable parents. It has been pointed out that while the evidence for gays having a negative affect on marriage is slim, there is ample evidence that being Christian can actually make you more likely to get a divorce. We all know the terrible effects that divorce can have on children.

This website looks at divorce statistics for various faith groups:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

"Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience."

By myself I am statistically insignificant, but I'm a liberal atheist, and I've been married to my one and only wife for 37 years. My own take on this statistic is that your typical atheists and agnostics tend to be much more educated than your typical conservative Christian. Education level can have significant correlation to divorce rates.

I find this really interesting, since the conservative Christians are those who are yelling the loudest about gay marriage.


You and I have discussed this before, John. As everyone here obviously knows, I also am a socially liberal atheist and have been a non-believer since early childhood. And like you, I have only been married once, for 24 years now.
I'm not saying that non-belief is the key to a long marriage, but belief in god obviously isn't a prerequisite. What really irks me is when people with a history of failed relationships preach to me that I need god in my life to strengthen my family. What a bunch of hypocrites.