What appears obvious at this point is we can debate facts but all those facts are filtered through the basic philosophy you and I, and of course everyone else, has developed since we were born. This is why we have either a bias for the worker or the corporate structure. What interests me ultimately, is how each individual develops these biases and prejudices. We all have them I've never met anyone who was truly objective. The one thing I have learned over the years is these opinions are in no way related to intelligence, or the inherent morality of the individuals espousing them. Perhaps my definition of fascism is different than yours, and there are certainly degrees to any political philosophy. For me, Bush wasn't exactly the same ruthless guy that Benito was, but that doesn't mean he hasn't crossed into the realm of fascism. The use of torture, (the extent of which we don't know), the adherence to a policy of belligerent nationalism, etc. Those are the factors which which enable me to use the terminology I do. As long as you are not on the receiving end of the violence, then it doesn't seem so bad. However, I also don't get upset when people on the other side of the political spectrum call me an atheist commie. Actually I see myself as more of an agnostic, socially compassionate environmentalist.
I enjoy these types of discourses when time permits and I don't really expect to convince anyone on the "other" side. It's one of the reasons I really miss Bill Buckley and Firing Line.
I rarely agreed with him but always felt it was better to know what my political adversaries were up to and why they thought the way they do. While I'm certain that you and I will probably never agree completely on many of these important issues, I feel I gain something from hearing why you others see things so differently than I do. As I said earlier, I don't follow the Obama movement blindly, but some of the changes from the previous administration are encouraging. it is, however, much easier for me to deal with criticism now than it was to tolerate the stress and frustration I felt while Bush and Cheney were running things. Anyhow, I feel your pain and wish you no ill will.