Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

The Dems want this to be the biggest political event in our lifetimes. An attempt to overthrow the government! The largest attempt since the civil war! 
But it doesn't matter how or how many times you talk about it, almost no Republicans see it as an attempt to overthrow the government! They are much more likely to see it as Dem BS. And the more often it is hyped by the Dems, the more often it will be seen as Dem BS.

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi Greg:

Don't discount this line of reasoning because you happen to disagree with Rod and James on a lot of stuff.  The vaccines work extremely well at preventing the disease and at keeping the severity of the disease down if you happen to be one of the 10% who gets it anyway.  I understand that those are individual benefits and if one wants to "risk it" by going unvaccinated that is their right, but the analysis does not stop there.

A large pool of anti-vaccination folks are a social problem because the unvaccinated are a large pool where the virus can infect, mutate and then infect others.  Worst case scenario, the virus mutates into a variant that is not predominantly stopped by the current vaccine.  Especially if it is a more lethal variant.   

Beyond Covid, vaccinations are critical for society.  I doubt you disagree with the laws in virtually every state that require public school students to be vaccinated against childhood diseases like measles and mumps?  The same reasoning applies here. 

Here is analogy I think is persuasive.  What do you think about drunk driving laws?  Obviously, If I have a few too many and wrap myself around a tree, I have only hurt myself and removed one aged lawyer from the social security roles.  On the other hand, all too often, the drunk driver wastes an innocent third party.  Society has a strong incentive to prohibit and punish the behavior for that reason.   I would be conflicted about mandatory Covid vaccination laws.  I do think all responsible adults should choose to get vaccinated because it is the responsible thing to do.  Just like I think responsible adults should avoid drinking and driving, even if it were not illegal.

Jim 

Originally Posted by James Brown

I'm not sure.  This is something I've been meaning to read up on.  Given that the infection rates in most states are way down, even though only 1/2 or so are vaccinated, it seems likely that previous infection imparts some level of immunity.  Really not sure though.

I have read that these RNA type viruses mutate often enough that your immunity from infection and my immunity from vaccination will be relatively short lived.  I expect to get vaccinated annually in the future, along with the flu shot.  This will be particularly important as we get older.

Jim

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Do you think we'll find that reported on MAGA media? 
Meanwhile: https://www.wsj.com/articles/lumber-prices-are-falling-fast-turning-hoarders-into-sellers-11623749401

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Hmm, well I just checked Faux News and their headline on the web is Hunter Biden's laptop! And nary a word about lumber prices in their "business" section. either.
Newsmax? Something about the supreme court and a florist who refused to sell to a gay couple. OAN? A headline in China's nuclear arsenal, as if they didn't have one when Trump was in office...

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Well, since you're "looking", you'll be sure to let us all know when that ever happens...

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Ya know Greg, when it comes down to it, you and I are pretty much on the same page on this issue. You had initially and correctly posted a comment or thread on the high cost of lumber. I was in agreement with the cost factor but I had countered that the inflated costs were going to be temporary. That's in fact what you and I are now seeing...

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

Nope!  Not a, "had to be there moment." We should keep some humor even when politics come up.