Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Lacey

We have now administered 6 billion doses of the COVID vaccine to 3.4 billion people. The current world population is 7.9 billion. In the US 93% of adults age 65 or over have at least one dose.  Some 77% of all adults in the US have at least one dose. If you are still waiting for more data to come in, I'm sorry the data is in. We have vaccinated almost half of humanity. The vaccines are safe.

Originally Posted by James Lacey

We know that it is safe with as much certainty as we ever could. If they were not safe tens of millions of people would be affected by now.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

The CDC says it's safe and effective. Don't believe them? John Hopkins says it's safe and effective. Don't believe them? The Mayo clinic says it's safe and effective. Don't believe them? Let's go international: the  state of Israel says it's safe and effective. Don't believe them? The UK says it's safe and effective. I could go on but you even you should begin to see the shining light...

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

The physicians and scientists are stating it's safe and effective based upon the science. Obviously, you can't connect the dots...

Originally Posted by James Lacey

There is plenty of facts, data, and science that prove they are safe. You merely choose to ignore it.

Originally Posted by Brian McFarland

Prove what, exactly?

That it needs to be 100% safe?  That will never happen.
That the risk associated with getting the vaccine is safer than the risk associated with contracting Covid? We are way past proving that.

What exactly are you arguing? Please tell me you aren't arguing that getting Covid is less risky than getting the vaccine. Or contracting Covid is a better way of immunizing yourself against Covid than getting the vaccine in order to.... wait for it..... keep from getting Covid??? LOL

Originally Posted by Brian McFarland

Who's offended?  Were you offended by my question?  What a dumb thing to say.

Originally Posted by James Lacey

What do you mean by large scale? From what I can tell, a large-scale clinical trial varies. It can have a few hundred participants up to tens of thousands. Phase 3 trials met those thresholds, and FDA gave its approval to Pfizer. That's it. Game over. And if 3.4 Bn shots are not large-scale enough for you, then you will likely never be satisfied. And as I've said before, the science and the history of vaccines tell us that adverse effects show up in the first few days or weeks. Not months or years later.

Originally Posted by Brian McFarland

Ok point taken - my last sentence was a little ridiculing. Sorry.

Your sentence stating that you already had Covid and you were trusting that exposure to provide the resistance you need instead of getting the shot answered my question. It sounded like you were arguing in this thread that the vaccine isn't safe enough for anyone yet, which I strongly disagree with (the normal caveats regarding allergic, at-risk, etc people applies).

Originally Posted by James Lacey

There is more than enough data and science to prove that these vaccines are safe and effective. Plus, as I've said for at least the fourth time now, the science and history of vaccines is such that we know they rarely have long-term side effects. Any side effects commonly occur within days, not months or years. For one, you get the shot once. It's not a drug you are taking daily. And the active ingredient in the vaccine is consumed within a matter of days.

How you can make the claim that anyone knows what the long term effects may be with a straight face is simply mind boggling......the ONLY way to know for sure is after sufficient time has elapsed....ie those months/years you refer to. In simple terms the vaccine basically tricks our immune system into producing the anti-bodies to fight covid with. The only way to know what long term effect that may have is for that time to elapse. Lets take an example with steroids....we know that body builders who abuse steroids end up destroying their body's natural production of testosterones over time. From what I have read they are talking about perhaps needing booster shots every year to fight this thing.....who is to say we dont end up creating a similar issue with natural anti-body production should that come to pass? We simply dont know what will happen because we have not been there yet.....safe in the short term? It would appear so, I dont dispute that.....long term? No one knows YET......we will have a much better picture once the stage 4 trials are completed. But claiming it is safe in the long term now? Nope....that dog wont hunt. I have the natural immunity afforded by having already had it....for now I am good with that. You seem hell bent for some reason that my position is not good enough. Its good enough for me for now.....and none of your ranting about it is going to change that.....just accept it and lets move on.


Here is the CDCs web page on Historical Safety Concerns Regarding Vaccine Recalls.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

If you read it, there have been less than a dozen recalls in the past 60 years, and many of those were manufacturer recalls who had concerns over their manufacturing process.

To me, your concerns may be valid, but they are way over-blown. The benefits of vaccines have always far outweighed their risk.

You are certainly within your rights to feel they are over-blown.....are you somehow threatened by the fact that we disagree? It is pretty obvious you disagree, you took the jab and I am fine with that.....but pissing in my ear and telling me its raining and making statements like "It is safe - take the shot" I responded politely with No thank you....and gave my reasoning on it. You have not shut up since lol Perhaps you are genuinely concerned about my welfare.....if so I appreciate that but jezus man give it a rest. You have a right to do as you see fit and take the shot same as I have a right to do as I see fit and not take it. You do you and I will do me.....at some point maybe one of us will get the chance to say I told you so lol