Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Steroids are not a good analogy to vaccines. Again, the active ingredient in vaccines stays in your body for a few days, maybe a week. Then it is either consumed, destroyed, or otherwise decays. You take it once a year at most, not every day in large quantities. The science and history behind vaccines tell us this vaccine is safe, effective, and its benefits far outweigh its risks. There is more than enough science and data now to draw this conclusion.

Of course, I'm not threatened by our disagreement, and of course, I care about your welfare. Look, you as an individual don't make much difference regarding whether or not you get the vaccine. The vaccine-hesitant as a whole though is doing great harm to all of us. That and the disinformation and propaganda against the vaccine and the harm that it is causing is what concerns me. Otherwise, yes, do what you want to do. However, don't be surprised if I challenge misinformation, propaganda, or conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

At this point, given the number of vaccines that have been administered worldwide, you might as well stop stage 4. Here's stage 4 in a nutshell from the folks at pfizer:

Well you certainly arent short on ego doctor of immunology Rod lol


So, Greg and his cohorts can continue to grasp at a straw for a reason not to take a vaccine which is not the same as a medicine one takes on an ongoing basis.

Ohhh I have cohorts now.....lol

So, following Greg's "logic", one shouldn't take the vaccine even though it's been approved for use because it hasn't completed a "post-marketing trial".

I defy you to show where I have advocated no one should take the vaccine....I simply gave my reasoning for not taking it myself (YET).....since you seem to want to put words in my mouth I can only assume you somehow feel threatened by my choices and reasoning.

If that's the case then he and others like him that follow the same "logic" will never take the vaccine so if everybody believed the same thing Greg and his cohorts do, then nobody would take the vaccine and there wouldn't be a phase three trial, let alone a phase 4 trial...

I dont think I can put it any plainer Rod. I have stated more than once already I am not trying to make anyone think they made a bad choice. I will even state here and now that if they have not had covid and recovered they probably should take the jab....it is obvious that it would not have made it past the stage 3 trials if it were not safe at least in the short term for the majority of folks (already said that as well).

Once again, I dont plan to take it anytime soon and I have explained why......what it is about that you obviously feel threatened by? 

Are you done yet?.....I am as I see nothing to gain or lose by beating this dead horse further.....

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Of course, that's not what I said.

Sure sounded like it.....but Rod seems to have stepped in a said they can just end the stage 4 trials for you in plain english.....lol Like you he seems to think the "science" is settled and stage 4 is a waste of time.

As I said, your concerns are valid, but in my humble opinion, overblown and misinformed.

Well thank you for the validation.....but your opinion does not sound very humble, in fact based on the above you and Rod are appearing somewhat irrational......

Originally Posted by James Lacey

You are responding to Rod, not me. You may want to reconsider who is getting flustered.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

"The coronavirus pandemic will be over within a year, Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel said on Thursday, as more vaccines become available and vaccines are approved for children, he told the Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung (NZZ) newspaper."
"Bancel estimated that by the middle of next year there should be enough vaccine doses so that "everyone on earth can get vaccinated" and boosters should also be possible as required, allowing a return to the routine by this time next year."
"Those who do not get vaccinated will immunize themselves naturally because the Delta variant is so contagious," Bancel told NZZ. "In this way, we will end up in a situation similar to that of the flu. You can either get vaccinated and have a good winter, or you don't do it and risk getting sick and possibly even ending up in hospital. Let's not forget that tens of thousands die from the flu every year in Europe and the US."
"In response to a question about how safe the vaccine is, Bancel explained that half of the injected molecules break down with four hours of vaccination, with the rest breaking down after 48 hours. Independent and verified studies determined years ago that Moderna's mRNA does not enter the DNA nucleus or cause long-term damage."
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/covid-pandemic-will-be-over-within-a-year-moderna-ceo-680119

Originally Posted by James Lacey

No. I never said we should stop phase 4 trials. In any case, you are right about one thing. At this point, the discussion is exhausted. I do hope you reconsider and get your vaccine, but regardless, I hope for all of us continued health and happiness.