Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

LOL....like I said it is hard to believe the left can keep a straight face and make the claims its making.....well actually it isnt. Liars do what they do....and you suck it up like a sponge.

Wow.....Rich pegged you pretty good. What a fruitcake.....

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Not sure which one is dumber there, all I know is next to you, either of them come off as Einsteinian.   

Meanwhile you just fell off Frank's christmas list......lol

Originally Posted by Edward Garcia

How do I delete the multiple post?

The delete option is not offered here.....edit only.

Someone told me that the Prime Minister of Canada got re-elected, I thought they were lying.

It's Trudeau.

It would seem you are just a tad misinformed David.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022

Anyone buying into the concept of racist bridges and highways is......nope I am not even going there.

That idiot spent a couple months at home on "maternity leave" and what was the 1st thing he threw out there when he returned to work? Did he jump in and begin working on the supply chain crisis? No....this idiot jumped in with both feet promoting the idea that bridges and highway are racist.....

Have there been some decisions made when considering the routes, locations that have the appearance of racism being used in that process? Sure.....When you look deeper what you really find is that 99% of the time those decisions are firmly rooted in finances. Have there been some exceptions? Certainly. They are however not the norm. What the left wants is to call the exceptions the norm to promote their agenda......

Lets say a bypass is being proposed which most every city of any size has......There are proposals for routes made. Some go thru middle, upper class neighborhoods and some go thru poor ones. Taking into account the properties involved must be by law purchased at fair market value, in most cases the route chosen in the end will be the one that costs less.......Those decisions are financial not racial. In the rare cases where racism did actually play a part (and there have been SOME) the left wants to seize on this and present it as the norm.....well its NOT and no amount of putting up links to rationalist propaganda will change that......

For those of you who cannot separate the wheat from the chaff on this one all I can say is wake up and smell the coffee.....

Originally Posted by James Lacey

So, to state the obvious, no one is saying all bridges and highways are racist. They are saying that *sometimes* the decisions about how they were built and planned included racial or segregationist attitudes. Is this so hard to believe, given America's history with Jim Crow, separate but equal, redlining, and so forth? To me, denying some of our city planning was influenced by segregationist desires is almost impossible given the evidence otherwise. Of course, I have no illusions that I will change anyone's mind, but don't kid yourself. There is bountiful evidence for Secretary Pete's position, and it's not one he holds in isolation.

Reading things that arent said again James?

I did not say anyone was saying ALL bridges and highways were racist..... What I am saying is while what you describe has happened it has happened RARELY. It is the exception not the norm.....it is NOT the widespread issue the left is trying to say it is......99% of the time it is finances that drives the bus not racism.

Originally Posted by James Brown

Hi Greg:  Obviously bridges and other inanimate objects can not be racist.  Even so, I don't have any trouble believing that the city authorities in the early 1900s up through probably the 60s or 70s made highway routing and other infrastructure decisions with the racial makeup of the neighborhoods most impacted in mind.  Not the only factor of course, but definitely one factor.  A lot of land has to be seized by the government to put a highway through an urban corridor.  Do you think they took that land from the white-bread country-club banker and lawyer neighborhoods?  I doubt it.

Also, the conventional wisdom of those times was that the black neighborhoods should be as separate as possible from the white neighborhoods.  It is not surprising to me that maintaining separation between the poor black neighborhoods and the upper-crust white neighborhoods factored into highway routing and other planning decisions.  

None of that seems surprising to me in a historical context.  I know that Buttigieg is bringing these historical facts up today to score cheap political points.  That's hardball politics.  But there is no reason to deny that segregated neighborhoods were deemed the "proper order" for much of our history or to deny that city planners would have made planning decisions to preserve or foster that "proper order."

Are you trying to convince yourself that inanimate objects cant be racist???? What on earth is the point of that statement? Do you mean to imply that *I* think they can? Surely you are not that stupid.

There are laws that say the government cant "seize" your land for these kind of projects without paying fair market value, I am sure there was a time when that was not the case. So what?......What you may think COULD BE racist in the way many tend to be built in poor neighborhoods is simple economics and in most cases no more than that.....I could care less about the failings of the past. Racism has been dying for decades, just let it DIE.....LOL

As for Mayor Pete.....he isnt worth the air he breathes.

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Fair enough, but I think it was far more widespread in the past than you are willing to admit. And to be honest, my reply was not to argue about how prevalent it is today. We all agree racism is declining, although there is lots of work to do. My initial response to Rich and Steve was to address the fact that Secretary Pete is, in fact, correct.

I have no illusions that it did not happen in the past and certainly more so than in modern times......However, dredging up old water long ago passed under the bridge accomplishes only one thing of import.....divisiveness. Of course that seems to be the goal of the left, use it as a tool to keep their power. Racism only has power if you feed it and politicians overfeed it 24/7.......

Fortunately, more and more people see it for what it is, desperation and virtue signaling.