Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Brown

What about driving?  Do you want to drop the drinking and gun-buying ages to 15 or 16 to avoid the appearance of hypocrisy?

Personally, I think that some activities require more maturity than others.  I would be fine raising the draft to 21, btw.

Originally Posted by James Lacey

If there were any Democratic congresspeople equivalent to MTG, I would ignore them and support primarying them just like the GOP recently tried to primary MTG.

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Mel,

We acknowledge at best that the broadcaster was engaging in some emotional hyperbole, or at worst, they were intentionally lying to mislead. So what? It's one broadcaster, and their gaffe or possibly bad intentions don't change the facts regarding the Uvalde school shooting or the other mass shootings that have taken place since using AR-15-style rifles. What exactly do you hope to achieve by bringing up this one broadcaster's statement? It seems immaterial and unimportant to me in the larger scheme of things.

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

And you guys are getting real good at it due to it happening so many times.
They outlawed machine guns 90 years ago. Why not assault-style rifles? Why not raise the legal age to 21 like the law is for handguns and buying liquor?

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Granted it would have been more accurate to state there would be nothing left of the internal organs of the deer: "...the extreme speed of the .223, once that bullet enters the body the amount of damage it does from the concussion alone, is detrimental to the vitals of most animals."
Additionally, "in most states an AR-15 is allowed for hunting big game." So, the so-called notion that you can't hunt deer with an ar15 because it's somehow not potent enough is essentially the same kind of hyperbole that you see from one broadcaster in that its amplified to make a point. Indeed, I see from this article, that deer hunter rarely shoot deer from over 300 yards and the ar15 can kill one at 500 so as the article amply states, "Every state has some sort of restriction on the calibers you can use when hunting different types of game. Many states also have restrictions on how many rounds you are allowed to have in your magazine, or even if you are allowed to hunt with semi-automatic rifles. Although with all the restrictions, in most states an AR-15 is allowed for hunting big game. Most states require hunters to use at least a .22lr, so the ever so slightly larger (but much faster) .223 is also allowed. As with any legal regulation, it is your responsibility to know the laws of your state, which you can find on your state’s DNR website. "
https://omegaoutdoors.blog/ar-15-for-hunting-whitetail/
So, stop feigning the BS echo that the ar15 is somehow inadequate as a semi-auto killing machine that can't kill deer because it's somehow not lethal enough...

Originally Posted by James Lacey

First, no one wants to "grab your guns." The country is awash with hundreds of millions of guns, and it is impossible practically and politically to do anything about their presence. Second, guns are not to blame entirely, but they are a significant factor in gun violence for no other reason than you can't have gun violence without guns. Lastly, pointing out that one announcer made an incorrect statement about an AR-15-style rifle doesn't amount to much of an argument for continuing down our current trajectory that has failed miserably.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

As the article I cited noted, few hunters try a 500 yard shot at a deer so that's likely not a scenario that occurs in the real world. It appears from additional readings that the typical shot is well under 300 yards and probably closer to 100 to 150 yards. From another citation, "Jake Burns, Federal’s rifle ammunition product engineering manager, pointed out that the smaller .223 projectile imparts similar energy at 100 yards as a truly legendary deer cartridge, the .30-30 Winchester. "
https://www.themeateater.com/wired-to-hunt/whitetail-hunting-gear/this-cartridge-doesnt-get-enough-love-from-deer-hunters 

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Well, I have to congratulate both you and Mel for (again) successfully diverting the subject of mass murders with the same death machine to the subject of, in hunterspeak, "harvesting" deer with the bullet of choice...

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

No BS: "the AR-15 is the weapon of choice of the worst mass murderers."
The Texas church shooting: "90 percent of the people in there were unrecognizable. You know the blood everywhere, I mean it just covered them from head to toe. They were shot in so many different places that you just couldn't make out who they were." "I've never had the experience, not with any kind of weapon like this. For me to see the damage that it did was unbelievable, it was shattering concrete, I-- you know, you can only imagine what it does to a human body."
"The police estimate that he fired about 450 rounds."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-mass-shootings-60-minutes-2022-05-29/
That's essentially the same description of the victims I've read in the other mass shootings...

Originally Posted by Mel Maki

To give people an idea, I vaguely remember checking on price years ago and a nice Colt was $24,000.
Greg, does that sound like maybe my memory is still attached? In the ballpark?