Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by James Lacey

And, of course, that's not what I said. Please show me where I said, "Democrats were not responsible for slavery." I have repeatedly said that the Democratic party of today is not the Southern Democratic party of yesterday. It is not my fault that details and nuance are not the forte of some participants here, and they don't seem to be able to grok that parties and people change over time.

Like I said.....same old tired argument that there was a big swap to justify the Dims responsibility for slavery.....and like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night

So I am caught up on the hearings......and with all the BS being spouted in here about them.

1. 20 million viewers. How many folks voted in the election? 180 million or therebouts? Dismal turnout for the hearings anyway you look at it.

2. Televised, hired someone to make into a series production, scripted. Long on accusations and short on evidence just like the impeachment....Mostly a bait load of Orange Man Bad, no surprises there.

3. Cheney being one of the worst, spewing forth accusations with little or no substance. Started off ranting about how Trump did not condemn the violence. Yet he did pretty much immediately during the event in a video as well as 2 or 3 tweets that was blocked on twitter and also in a Oval office address to the nation a week later....She went on to say he used the words "love in the air" about it when that was about the "Stop the Steal Rally" not about the events of Jan 6th.....

Several twitter posts condemning the violence and requesting the protest be peaceful from Trump during the event were removed by twitter as well as a video he put up from the Rose garden requesting the same.....

One of two tweets he made during the event said "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement, they are truly on the side of our country. Stay peaceful!"

The other said "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the party of law & order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

Both tweets as well as the video from the Rose Garden that was put up about an hour later were taken down by twitter..... I also recall watching when he was addressing the crowd and asked that they march on down to protest PEACEFULLY.....

Just the above tells me enough to understand we are witnessing a witch hunt being thrown up in desperation to keep Trump from running again.....I wouldnt be willing to bet it is going to work.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

We've gone through most of Trump's response to the actions of the capitol hill mob on a past thread about it. To even state that his response was "immediate" let alone adequate, is moronic. His own advisors were imploring him to call it off and all the while he sat smiling watching it on his TV. What the hell do you think all those messages from Hannity and others to do something about it were about? Have you even read them? You don't even know what the ---- you're talking about! 

Right....so you deny those tweets during the protest and his words to them at the protest as well as the video from the Rose Garden? Figures lol

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

What a guy that Donald Trump is. He made those tweets at 7:38 PM and 8:13 PM EST. He must have thought they weren't urgent. Besides, he was too busy earlier watching TV cheering on his supporters.
And they weren't deleted. I found them easily.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021

January 6, 2021
19:38:58 Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!
Retweets: 107460
Favorites: 582183

January 6, 2021
20:13:26 I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!
Retweets: 156100
Favorites: 730357

Ahh so they restored access to them after the fact.....doesnt change the fact that they restricted them at the time.

dupe post

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Yeah, the thing is, the fact that Southern Democrats went to the Republican party after the Civil Rights era is not even controversial. It is one of American political history's most well-understood and seminal events. They teach it in high school, and not it's not woke or CRT nonsense.

We have discussed this one at length before......and there were a total of 2 that switched sides and links to that data were provided back then but you guys still want to rewrite history.....I get it, it helps you sleep

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

I got the times wrong. Still, he didn't call off his supporters until 3:38 and 4:18. A lot had happened up to that point and Trump called no one.

Bullshit....he called them off when he was speaking to them directly by telling them to march down and protest PEACEFULLY before it escalated......as I have already said not to mention later in his tweets and from the Rose Garden.....

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Lol! Is that why we hear the rioters claiming they did what they did when they say they were doing it because Trump told them to do it?

Have you not watched the speech he gave that day? Plain as day what he said, protest peacefully.....not once did he say anything about riot etc....Course you have not LOL

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll

How would you know. You refuse to watch the evidence.

Evidently you refuse as well.....did NONE of you watch Trump's speech to the crowd that day? Either you didnt or yall are just lying lol

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Trump telling them to go peacefully once or twice does not negate all the other things he did and said that day to urge and encourage the rioters and insurrectionists to commit foolish, dangerous, and criminal acts. The actors and participants in the 1/6 riot and insurrection were reading his tweets to the crowds in real-time over bull horns as motivational snippets to spur them on to commit even more riotous acts. You have to ignore 98% of what Trump did and said that day to believe that he did not encourage violence.

So lets see some quotes and video....I provided quotes which someone else validated by quoting them with "you can still see them" Would you like a link to the national Rose Garden speech he did after the violence started? Happy to provide it