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Posts Made By: James Brown

February 12, 2022 07:17 AM Forum: Politics

Getting paid to stuff the ballot boxes and illegally harvest votes

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by James Brown

Here's what I want to know.  Do you, Richard Davis actually believe the content you post, specifically this link to 2000 Mules??  

Jim
Still crickets.  Just in case I am being obscure, "crickets" means silence with soft background chirping... It's an old movie meme.   The gist is that Rich is hiding under his desk and refusing to answer any questions.  

But, have a great weekend.  Probably will not log in again until Monday.  I'll answer any witty retort then!  Jim

February 15, 2022 12:21 AM Forum: Politics

Mike Pence to Federalist Society: Trump is wrong

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer
This is a stupid argument folks..... The gallows was all about symbolism and nothing else. AND it was detestable and distasteful symbolism....no different from that politically motivated comedian desperately hoping to get some attention holding up Trump's severed head who got raked over the coals for it.....

2x4's vs 4x4's, shoe strings vs a orange noose......stupid and pointless and deserves NO hype......
Precisely!  Although I think that the symbolism of the gallows is part of the overall news story.  It does not deserve hype, it does deserve coverage. J

February 15, 2022 01:45 AM Forum: Politics

Mike Pence to Federalist Society: Trump is wrong

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

It's bewildering to me that you don't think the threat to Pence was real. One only has to listen to the perps stating what they intended to do along with the chants of the mob to do it along with the physical structure to carry it out. But to you and Greg, it's just "symbolism"...
I do think the threat to Pence was real.  I said as much earlier in this thread and was mocked for it by the resident fool (Rich).  I am sure that the Secret Service Agents tasked with protecting Pence thought the threat was extremely real.

The actual threat to Pence is a lot different than whether or not this was a legit gallows.  This whole issue of whether the gallows was legit seems to be conflated by people like the fool with the broader issue of whether Pence (or anyone else) was in actual danger.  I am not conflating these issues at all.  Sorry if that was not clear.  For me, the physical gallows serves primarily as a symbol and it is indeed a hateful and potent symbol.

Jim 

February 15, 2022 01:45 AM Forum: Politics

Mike Pence to Federalist Society: Trump is wrong

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by James Lacey


Rod, I think you are both right to some degree. The gallows were symbolic because that structure would not have been sufficient to support a hanging, but on the other hand,  the crowd could have found a way to do it. The gallows certainly fed into provoking the rage and hysteria that would have, in my humble opinion, resulted in harm to Pence if the rioters had managed to lay their hands on him. The insufficiency of the gallows doesn't mean righties get to dismiss them off-hand as some seem to think. The gallows are an essential part of the story and fed into the mob mentality of that day.
I typed my reply before reading this one.  As usual, I agree with James.  Jim

February 15, 2022 05:57 AM Forum: Politics

Mike Pence to Federalist Society: Trump is wrong

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Greg comment from his post #79" ..."I dont think anyone disputes there were at least and handful of real nutjobs there....."
Greg can chime in Rod, if he chooses, but I agree, literally no one (except maybe Rich?) disputes that there were at least a handful of real nutjobs there. 

One issue for our speculation is how many of the rioters would have harmed Pence, had they caught him?  I think it is less than "all of them."  I suspect it was more than three or four.  Other than that I personally don't really have an opinion.  How many actually entered the Capital?  My guess is that at least 50% would have shouted slogans at Pence had they cornered him, and left it at that.  Some might have tried to kill him.  More than 3-4 but less than half?  It is hard to guess.  Like Greg said, when the mob is enraged, people will do things they never would consider doing otherwise.

This is all just speculation.  Fortunately for Pence and his family, we did not have to find out how it would have gone.

Jim

February 15, 2022 06:04 AM Forum: Politics

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Convoy Truckers are Racist

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Nancy Pelosi is worth an estimated $300 Million.  She went into the Congress with essentially nothing, but now she's worth $300 Million.

She is about as corrupt as they get.  
Is this the mother of all non sequiturs?  Maybe I missed something?  


p.s.  I see that the post I replied to is ancient.  Probably was an affect of parallel conversations.

February 15, 2022 07:26 AM Forum: Politics

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Convoy Truckers are Racist

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by Mel Maki

The 300 million should be posted often. Why are people seemingly ok with the corruption of our politicians? There is the smallest of chances her 300 was gained honestly, but honestly!
Hi Mel:

I don't have any problem with a thread discussing Pelosi's fortune and how she did (or did not) exploit her office to amass her fortune.  That would be as good a topic as anything we discuss!  

The non sequitur part was the weird juxtaposition of Rich's reply with what he replied to:

February 16, 2022 12:13 AM Forum: Politics

Palen's Suit Is Dismissed!

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Very rare Mel, if I'm heard what I think I heard yesterday on the radio.

The judge is stepping in and giving a directed verdict in essence.

The problem is that we've become a nation with Political hacks disguised as judges in this country.
I agree that a directed verdict is very rare.  Not sure if the judge is a political hack though.  None of us (me included) has looked into the element supposed to be missing from the plaintiff's case.   It is most likely not political at all, it is really tough (almost impossible) under the law for a public figure like Palin to prove libel.  Jim

February 16, 2022 12:19 AM Forum: Politics

Palen's Suit Is Dismissed!

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by James Brown

I agree that a directed verdict is very rare.  Not sure if the judge is a political hack though.  None of us (me included) has looked into the element supposed to be missing from the plaintiff's case.   It is most likely not political at all, it is really tough (almost impossible) under the law for a public figure like Palin to prove libel.  Jim
"The judge said Palin did not prove "actual malice," which is the standard her legal team had to meet in her defamation case. The landmark 1964 New York Times vs. Sullivan case specifies that public figures who sue for defamation must prove that the offender knew the claim was false or showed "reckless disregard" for the truth.

The Times said all along that it made an honest error involving Palin -— and issued a swift correction. Palin argued that the publication smeared her on purpose."

This is just a snip from the CNN article, but it is not surprising.  "Actual malice" is an incredibly difficult thing to prove.  The Supreme Court confirmed this legal standard over 50 years ago in the Sullivan case.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._Sullivan

So, to attribute this outcome in Palin's lawsuit to "a political hack judge" is extremely foolish.  Jim

February 16, 2022 12:25 AM Forum: Politics

Palen's Suit Is Dismissed!

Posted By James Brown
Originally Posted by Brian McFarland

I think they're letting the jury come to a verdict anyway just to avoid appeals (presuming the jury agrees with the judge).
Hi Brian:

Maybe, but Palin can still appeal if she wants to argue that the legal standard applied by the judge of actual malice is an unconstitutional standard (enormous longshot for Palin) or that the standard was misapplied by the judge (longshot too).

In other words, the jury applies the facts to the law.  The judge approves the jury instructions where the law is detailed for the jury.  If the judge got the law wrong in his jury instructions (presumably over Palin's objections) there could still be a viable appeal on the legal issues.  In any case, the appeal is a longshot.  Palin will have public sentiment behind her though, if the jury comes back in her favor.  That does not matter for the appeal, but it certainly would be a factor in her decision making process.  Jim

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