Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by Brian McFarland

Hardly.

So nominating the loser from last time and expecting a different result this time seems like a brilliant strategy for the Rs to you? That thought process is pretty much the definition of insanity at worse, and delusion at best. Similar to the delusion that convinced you that people voted against him because of "mean tweets", and not because he's an unfit buffoon. Some deep thinking from the Trump Fanboys right there.

The Rs desperately need to nominate an actual qualified candidate, or we'll have another four years of a D president. This is why it's the "reasonable & intelligent" Rs who are afraid he'll run again (corrected - thank you Russ), and not anyone else.

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

Well, Since you know BS I'm assuming the above is BS. LOL.

Originally Posted by Brian McFarland

Apparently not. Those of us who do actually know bullshit when we see it didn't vote for Trump. LOL

Originally Posted by James Lacey

The attempts to discredit this one piece of testimony, that she said under oath was hearsay, are off-base and unpersuasive. She testified she was told about the lunging incident by Tony Ornato.


Here is the relevant testimony:

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: When I returned to the White House, I walked upstairs towards the chief of staff's office, and I noticed Mr. Ornato lingering outside of the office. Once we had made eye contact, he quickly waved me to go into his office, which was just across the hall from mine. When I went in, he shut the door, and I noticed Bobby Engel, who was the head of Mr. Trump's security detail, sitting in a chair, just looking somewhat discombobulated and a little lost.

I looked at Tony and he had said, did you f'ing hear what happened in the beast? I said, no, Tony, I — I just got back. What happened? Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the beast, he was under the impression from Mr. Meadows that the off the record movement to the Capitol was still possible and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information.

So, once the president had gotten into the vehicle with Bobby, he thought that they were going up to the Capitol. And when Bobby had relayed to him we're not, we don't have the assets to do it, it's not secure, we're going back to the West Wing, the president had a very strong, a very angry response to that.

Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the f'ing president, take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing. The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.

We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel. And Mr. — when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.


In all her other testimony, she was careful, measured, and had corroboration from other key witnesses and documents, and even Trump himself! 

Originally Posted by James Lacey

We've been over this Greg. He didn't leave in the beast limousine that day. It was an SUV. There is a CSPAN video of it if you are doubtful. Either she misspoke or Ornato misspoke, or maybe they are both commonly referred to as the beast? Either way, she was relating a story told to her by Ornato.


https://twitter.com/josh_wingrove/status/1541865092580610048

Originally Posted by James Lacey

I'm not trying to clean up anything. I'm merely pointing out that 1) the testimony you all are fixating on was hearsay by Hutchinson's own admission, 2) it is the least most important out of all the testimony Hutchinson gave, and 3) you are wrong hearsay is allowed in some cases, and especially in civil cases, and this is a committee hearing, so it's allowed. If you want to talk about cleaning up your BS, then why don't you be consistent and give her hearsay testimony under oath, in front of Congress and the nation, as much faith as you are giving some anonymously sourced secret service agents?

Edit: This is the only official response from the Secret Service that I'm aware of:

The United States Secret Service has been cooperating with the Select Committee since its inception in spring 2021, and will continue to do so, including by responding on the record to the Committee regarding the new allegations surfaced in today’s testimony.

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

BTW, as an aside, Ginni Thomas, who stated a week or so ago, that she was "eager" to tell her side of the story to the January 6 committee, now says she is too stressed to appear...