Originally Posted by Darian Rachal
James, I've tried to "clear up" the matter. You seem to want to completely ignore the circumstances regarding the situation with the girl and illegal alien.
In your previous posts, you stated that "words have meaning". In another, you said, "yes doesn't always mean yes".
Your criticisms are getting a bit tedious. Think what you want about my statement. My conscience is clear.
Hi Darian:
You mentioned in our PM that it was plausible the girl said "yes." I agreed this was a plausible scenario. Assuming the perpetrator was an adult, and the subject was sexual intercourse, that sort of yes
never means yes in an ethical modern society. This is reflected in our rape laws and society's general abhorrence of pedophilia as a criminal perversion worse than all others. This is James' point, I think.
I get the feeling that you believe it is qualitatively "worse" or "more immoral" for an adult to grab a random 10 year old child and forcibly rape her than it would be for an adult to ask a 10 year old child it she wants to have sex and then to proceed with it, but only if she says yes. I am not saying that you think it is OK for him to have sex after she says "yes." But after reading this thread I am now thinking that you believe the context of her saying "yes" matters,
not legally, but morally. Please correct me and my apologies if I am wrong.
I've thought about it a lot. There is, in my opinion
no difference in moral deprivation, or criminality, or general scum-ness between the hypothetical guy who forcibly rapes a 10 year old and this perpetrator guy who plausibly asked first if she wants to have sex. This is because a 10 year old can not form consent to sex. The power imbalance is huge. Her life experiences are entirely lacking. She is nearly a baby!
In my opinion, soliciting a "yes" is exactly as vile, corrupt,
and violent an action as if the perpetrator had grabbed a random 10 year old kicking and screaming off the playground and raped her in the back of his car. In the first case the violence against the girl is mental and subtle, but entirely evil and will do lasting harm. In the second case, the violence is physical and loud, but no more entirely evil and no more likely to cause lasting harm.
Jim