Posts Made By: Greg Shaffer

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Jim,
While I agree with your characterization of my position as well as that of Greg, I think, based on Greg's statements in various posts, that he views Jan 6th as "BS" and not much more. In other words, you could have simply stated that as his position without qualification.
That said, it's noteworthy that the convicted proud boys cited Trump as their reason for doing what they did, including his "stand back and standby" statement which was played in court. In other words, there's more bad actors here...

Originally Posted by Russ Carroll

The only problem with this statement is that it was at the prompting of a President, who had just been voted out of office. That is a major, major problem and makes this much more than a few nut jobs doing bad things.

BTW, I believe in the law attempted murder, as an example, has nothing to do with how close one came to murdering someone. In fact, you can talk to a police undercover officer posing as a hitman, meaning you had 0 chance of actually murdering someone, yet your penalty will be based on your intent to murder, right?

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Lol! Now THAT'S BS!
Trump's so-called march "peaceably" remark came late in the game of his speech and after he whipped the crowd into a frenzy. Here's his entire speech, see if you can pick it out after everything he's says:
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

Taking his speech at his word, which the majority of the mob did, they peacefully marched down to the capitol. THAT they did. ONCE THERE, they proceeded to fight like hell and do what the proud boys and the Oath Keepers said Trump told them to do. Now do you get it?!

Originally Posted by James Brown

I don't get it.  Are saying that Trump overtly told them to march peacefully to the Capital, but then covertly signaled to them (wink - nod) style to riot once they got there?   There is no way Trump is capable of that much finesse!   You gotta either believe he is a sophisticated master manipulator, or just a moron who says whatever he feels like, damn the consequences.   I am firmly in the latter camp.  Trump's speech is rambling and ambiguous.  He wanted adoration from his fans, not an actual riot that threatened the safety of everyone in the Capital.   

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

This is called boycotting and not purchasing an item when a seller of the particular item, Anheuser-Busch expresses disdain and dislike for the very person who is purchasing the item, in other words their own customers.  I have no problem with boycotting a product line from a corporation when it is the corporation who expresses dislike of their very consumers.   

Let me explain the difference for the neophyte who is confused and lost as you obviously are.

Cancel culture is when a large group of individuals, politicians, news outlets etc... Use Their power and influence in an attempt to destroy the life of a single individual, and attempt to destroy his/her very life and existence, attempting to get this person shunned from society. 

This almost always occurs on the left, and when these ravenous people get their wish and do achieve their goals, it usually is never enough for these vile people, as they then usually engage in trying to the destroy the life of said individual and want to grind this person into the ground, which is always the goal of leftists.   

I don't condone that.  There is a gigantic difference between boycotting a large gigantic corporation and their products vs. a gigantic group of people in the millions attempting to destroy the life of a single person to the point where that person becomes a pariah and the scarlet letter wearer.

If you can't distinguish the difference between the 2 situations then that is probably why you now exhibit the traits of a radical leftist, since you're not able to delineate between the 2 instances.    LOL 

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

350 is the number attributed to those who committed violent acts during the insurrection with 250 of those violent acts committed against police officers. And the rioter who was shot and killed was deemed a justified shooting by the police investigation that followed. You do back the blue, don't you?
Of course, we'll likely have to revisit the efforts of Trump, Eastman, Giuliani, and many others for their reported roles in an attempt in overturning a free and fair election, the fake elector scheme, Trump's approval of an effort to hang Mike Pence, and the big lie of election fraud but since you believe in the latter, you've obviously been duped like the rest of Trump's cult...

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman

You've already stated in a past post in this forum that and I'm paraphrasing here: "hell no, Biden didn't get the votes that he did."
Yeah Greg, he did. 
As for the justified shooting, there are places like in the capitol, the pentagon, and the WH that unauthorized entry can be met with lethal force regardless of whether or not the perp is armed.   
That said, REPUBLICAN Senator Lindsey Graham told police officers they should have shot pro-Trump rioters on Jan. 6 "all in the head," “We gave you guys guns, and you should have used them," he recounted Graham saying. "I don’t understand why that didn’t happen.”
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/10-7-2022/fanone-graham-shot-jan-6/