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August 19, 2022 02:08 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis
I seem to recall the Fauci bootlickers here assure us that we were all washed up because we stated that contracting the virus was BETTER than a Vaccine.

The Fauci Bootlickers told us that he IS Science, and that if we disagreed with his recent statements about which is better, natural immunity or a vaccine.....

Suffice to say, that if we claimed that Natural Immunity was better than a vaccine, we were "Science Deniers".

I guess Fauci used to be a "Science Denier".  

Wow, that's interesting!   wink
Please define who specifically is/are "the Fauci bootlickers here" who assured you of the above, before any of us waste time pointing out your exaggerations and lies, only to have you dodge with some lame-ass rhetorical slight of hand.  

August 19, 2022 02:11 AM Forum: Politics

Just how friggin' psychotic IS the left both here and around the globe?? They are SICK folks.

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey

 OK. I think I found an actual photo of Rich.
Come on guys, we know there was nothing threatening remotely implied by Rich's post.  We know because he told us himself!

August 19, 2022 03:32 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I see you aren't responding.  

You insinuated that nobody here was a "Fauci bootlicker'.

Well that's my way of saying that they believed whatever Fauci said at the time, and they put forth the idea that Natural Immunity offered worse protection than this mRNA Vaccine that was developed.

They not only said it, they cited studies, and so I then put up an older video where Fauci contradicted himself and said "OF COURSE natural immunity is better and offers better protection than a vaccine".

YOU then seemed to take issue with the idea that I postulated which is that the Fauci Sycophants here will believe anything he says.

When there were studies of Natural Immunity vs. the Vaccines developed, they, the Fauci bootlickers were the ones who came on here and agreed with Fauci's latest flip where he claimed that the Vaccines offered better protection than Natural Immunity.

Do you deny that many here on the left did just that and argued that the man made vaccines offered BETTER protection than Natural Immunity of getting the virus and then having the body build up Natural Antibodies to the vaccine?

Do you deny that several leftists here made that claim and went so far as to mock others like me who said that Natural Immunity was a better protection?
Valid question.  I have not researched it, so I don't know for sure.  My recollection of the posts from that timeframe is that everyone acknowledged that Greg's infection with Covid 19 offered some immunity and that the vaccine offered some immunity.  I do not recall anyone saying that natural immunity was better or worse than vaccine immunity, as far as the level of immunity goes.

Feel free to prove me wrong with a quote.  I am going from memory.  Also, when I say "immunity" of course I mean "partial immunity" whether natural or from a vaccine. 

I recall being very careful in my own posts not to question Greg when he said he was relying on his natural immunity.  Rod may have disagreed.  I seriously do not recall. 

I do recall thinking and posting that vaccine immunity was a lot easier and less dangerous than acquiring natural immunity from a bad strain like Delta.  James agreed.  Obviously, lots of folks have gotten Omicron after vaccination, but it is typically pretty mild, so I personally have been boosted, even though I know that this is not a guarantee.  At this phase in the course of this disease, I would still hope that the general population and of course at-risk groups will get annual Covid vaccines as they come out.  If folks do not choose vaccination, I get it...   I personally have been haphazard at best wrt the flu vaccine.  

August 19, 2022 03:38 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Also, since you've challenged me to name some names, here is another.

James Lacey I do believe argued over and over that these man made vaccines offered better protection than the Natural Immunity that your body provides through its own production of Antibodies.  
If James argued that, he was probably correct based upon the best scientific knowledge available at the time.  He could still be right as far as I know.  You realize why I demanded that you name names don't you? 

Also, I found the post indicating (not proving, but indicating) that you own a Facebook page, or at least did in 2021.  I do not.  So I can't easily go look for yours and friend you.  I would respect your desires and not post a picture of you if I found one.  But seriously Rich, no digital photos of yourself exist on your FB page? 

August 19, 2022 03:40 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I see you aren't responding.  
I had to carry some water for clients.

August 19, 2022 03:50 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

You insinuated that nobody here was a "Fauci bootlicker'.

No I asked for specifics to avoid a dodge. 

This line I quoted is especially ironic given that you spent the better part of the morning arguing that your invocation of "the left" was devoid of any reasonable insinuations.   

August 19, 2022 04:02 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Its a simple question for you, if you're not too cowardly to answer honestly.

Did you make the claim here and support other assertions that Natural Immunity was NOT as effective as the Vaccines?

That's a yes or no question, one that your hero here seemed to get his panties in a wad over.
Am I the hero mentioned above?  If so, I am not sure what part of my previous answers suggests my panties are in a wad. Maybe you can enlighten me?

Anyway, I don't specifically recall, but it is very possible that James, Rod or others posted links to high-quality scientific studies concluding that vaccine immunity was better than natural immunity.  I think we have to define "better."  If those studies concluded that vaccine immunity was better at preventing a subsequent infection than natural immunity, I personally would be skeptical, but I would read the study and try to understand it.  The shifty nature of a rapidly mutating virus makes either kind of partial immunity fleeting and of course "partial."  This is an interesting scientific topic.

My own opinion, which I know was endorsed by James at the time, was that vaccine immunity was a lot easier to come by and a lot less risky than natural immunity.

August 19, 2022 04:03 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Rod Kaufman
The latest I could find:   "mRNA vaccine-induced antibodies more effective than natural immunity in neutralizing SARS-CoV-2 and its high affinity variants"
                                    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35173254/
Interesting stuff.  Thanks for posting.

August 19, 2022 04:08 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Then let me get this straight, because I'd like to compare what you say today with what You Said back then.
p.s.  It is not in my nature to let a line like this drop.  You owe it to us to post some links to what Rod or James said back then.  I specifically want to see where Rod or James mocked anyone on this topic.  Not that Rod or James is above mocking, God knows I am not, but typically those two link to high quality scientific research from high quality sources when discussing COVID and leave the mocking to me and you.

August 19, 2022 05:12 AM Forum: Politics

Then there's Fauci.......

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I'm not dying on any hill.  You seem to be the one doing that.

All you can ever do James is avoid answering to your previous commentary and diverting.  

Fauci is a fraud.  You and the rest of the left here act and acted as if he's the sole, solitary expert on everything Science.  

And you've mocked others for having differing opinions about Science.  If we disagreed with Fauci, then we are Science "deniers".  Its how you and the rest of the left have always operated in all of your arrogance.  

You mocked whomever brought up Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins, you mocked MaKary and you mocked one of the creators of the mRNA vaccine, Dr. Robert. Malone.

You attacked them as you always do anyone who disagrees with Fauci as having fake credentials or MaKary isn't an epidemiologist.  Malone wasn't really part of the group that developed it, etc...

The regular bullshit that leftists like yourself always resort to.  

Now you and the rest have egg on your face, because of the video that I linked showing the fraud Fauci saying "of course natural immunity is better than some man made vaccine".  

Now we see you and the rest spinning like tops to try and now change your tune, with the typical line above that you clamor onto saying "I never said the vaccine was better in ALL respects".

I can just guess what happened after I made my posting, and the Cape Crusader who's really a Water Boy chimed in to try and defend you and the rest here.

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the PMs started flying between the bunch of you, trying to confirm what the others said    LOL!  

Well here's just one of your postings that was all about claiming that mRNA vaccines are superior to Natural Immunity.

This one was really easy to find since it was one I started myself.  Take a gander at Response #3 on page 1:  

https://astromart.com/forums/commentary-careful-read-the-terms-of-service/politics/dr-marty-makary-top-epidemiologist-at-johns-hopkins-university-says-about-natural-immunity-vs-vaccinated-immunity?page=1

Here was your statement verbatim:  

James Lacey:   Here is at least one actual study from the CDC that vaccination offers higher protection than previous COVID-19 infections. This study is not an isolated case either. You can find dozens of similar conclusions from professionals who work in and research infections, disease, and epidemiology for a living. Suppose we are going to make a judgment based on bandwagon evidence. In that case, it's painfully clear that the scales tip way in favor of the professionals that immunity from the vaccine is far superior to any other kind.

Hmm.... Isn't that interesting. You wrote those words. I wonder what the Water Boy thinks about that statement of yours?  After all, he sure became incensed immediately, implying that I was putting words into your mouth.  

Don't worry, I know he's tongue tied at the moment. 

Now you don't want to own those words it seems.  

I can bring up dozens more where you attacked anyone who disagreed with your 2 Gods, Fauci and Gov't.

Hey James, deal with it.  Your an arrogant, self-righteous fool, but not quite as arrogant as the Water Boy.  wink
I just read James's old post and link, and it appears to me that he is correct.  He was correct then and he is correct now.  According to the research he linked to vaccination immunity is superior to natural immunity at preventing reinfection.  This is exactly what the scientific journal article Rod posted today says too. 

So, I stand corrected.  I now believe vaccine immunity to be superior to natural immunity at preventing reinfection, and I have always believed that it was a lot easier to come by than natural immunity.  Is there anything left to say?