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December 15, 2022 12:20 AM Forum: Politics

Another excellent summation by Victor Davis Hanson

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey



The Romans, the Greeks, and the Egyptians are considered part of Western society, you moron. LOL! Are you sincerely this dense? Your examples are examples of Western culture developing faster than other civilizations. I mean, come on, man, the breadbasket is located in Egypt, for crying out loud.

For other non-Western civilizations, think of the indigenous tribes of the Americas or Sub-Saharan Africa.

I have to admit; your self-own is pretty darn funny.
I just read 1491:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1491:_New_Revelations_of_the_Americas_Before_Columbus

It was really good.  Much discussion of the indigenous tribes of the Americas, and their contributions to modern society.  (Corn, squash, beans, modern agriculture, and interestingly, the mathematical concept of zero.)  Before Columbus arrived, the populations in cities in Central and South America were huge, much bigger than Paris or London.  Unfortunately, the indigenous population centers were literally wiped out by diseases like smallpox upon the arrival of Europeans.  The book is not political, it is just a fact that the Americas were unprepared for European diseases.  It was a one way street.  The Americas gave Europe syphilis, and Europe gave the Americas deadly pandemics like smallpox.  No researcher is certain why this imbalance occurred, but the European's long history of large-scale animal domestication (pigs, cows, horses) probably had a lot to do with it, since most infectious diseases originate in other species. 

1491 also puts to bed the myth that the indigenous people lived in harmony with the land, in a kind of primeval Eden.   On the contrary, they burned extensively, made wholesale changes to the environment for agriculture, transportation and the like and had as much agency over the land as contemporary westerners.  In a couple of instances before 1491, the native populations overextended themselves environmentally and wiped out or seriously diminished their own civilizations.  

Generally I read fiction, but I really enjoyed 1491.  Jim

December 15, 2022 03:33 AM Forum: Politics

Another excellent summation by Victor Davis Hanson

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Lacey


If you enjoyed 1491, you will equally like titles like Collapse, or Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond.

The basic premise that most scholars who study the effects of geography and environment on the development of civilizations is that Western culture and society dominated more due to the fate of the location of our origins rather than a superior moral system or intellect. No one is saying that non-Western societies were not advanced in many ways, but overall, they lagged behind Western societies in commerce, organization, and technology. Of course, the disease differential was also significant, but as you pointed out, most likely caused by zoonotic viruses Westerners developed due to animal husbandry. In the Americas, there were no large mammals that were easily domesticated or that would have created enough resources to warrant the effort.

Here are some of my top favorite non-fiction books from over the years:

Blood and Thunder - Basically a history of the settlement of the western United States, but Kit Carson plays such a significant role it is almost a biography of him.

The River of Doubt - After Teddy Roosevelt's losses in the 1912 election, he went on an expedition down the River of Doubt, a tributary of the Amazon. It tells a story of carelessness, ineptitude, and survival that is almost impossible to believe.

Undaunted Courage - The Lewis and Clark expedition. Trust me; almost everything you think you know about the trip is wrong. The story was so embellished and popularized by later generations with an axe to grind so that most of what we think we know about it is either wrong or misleading. Trust me. You do not know what happened to the expedition members after returning. They do not teach it in primary education, for sure.

Hero of the Empire - The Boer War, a Daring Escape, and the Making of Winston Churchill. It's about Churchhill's involvement in the Boer War of South Africa. Still, it is so instrumental to the outcome of what we think of as modern-day South Africa that it explains why South Africa ended up with apartheid.

Mayflower - A Story of Courage, Community, and War. Most of us are taught about Plymouth Rock and then history fast-forwards to the American revolution. But there is a bunch of stuff that happened in between that this book covers extensively. For example, we are all familiar with the struggles of Indians in the Central part of the US and the West with European colonialism. But there were many Indians on the east Coast in the beginning, and their story is often overlooked or forgotten. 
I've read Undaunted Courage, it was/is excellent.  I may pick up River of Doubt next, it sounds really interesting.  Thanks, J

December 15, 2022 03:46 AM Forum: Politics

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Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

What the shot consisted of was a therapeutic which lessened the severity of the symptoms of Covid.  

You're free to refer to that shot as a vaccine.  I guess I'm just realistic.  smile
Wow, you've taken semantic nit-picking to a new level, Rich.  I'm no doctor, but I would consider a "therapeutic" to be a drug administered after infection, in order to eliminate or moderate the existing infection and/or the symptoms.  I would consider a "vaccine" to be a drug administered before infection, specifically to cause an immune response, to reduce the risk of infection or to moderate the symptoms if an infection occurs.   Your definitions are different I guess?

FWIW, I've been vaccinated and boosted twice and never had Covid.  My wife has had Covid, and she did not give it to me.  My son the paramedic has been vaccinated and boosted and he has been exposed in close quarters (an ambulance and hospital ER) to countless infected people who have had accidents, got shot, overdosed, fallen down, and so on.  He has never tested positive either.  Nor has my younger son.  Nor have my mom and dad who are reasonably cautious, but not shut-ins by a long shot.  We are all fully vaccinated.  Are we just lucky, naturally immune, or did the vaccination prevent disease for 5 out of 6 of my closest family?  We'll never know of course, but I am glad we are all vaccinated.

Jim  

December 15, 2022 03:55 AM Forum: Politics

Trump ll OverTakes Trump1 In New Poll

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis
They weren't even close.  

Virtually everyone got the virus.  Just a guess that maybe 2 out of 10 who got the vaccine didn't get the virus.  

I also think you are mixing apples and oranges.  The vaccines were developed to prevent the initial strains.  I believe the data regarding the efficacy of the vaccines at preventing the initial strains. 

Nature will not be denied though.  Evolution produced Omicron and later strains that are much less likely to be prevented by the original vaccines.  So sure, a lot of people, perhaps a vast majority of people who were vaccinated against the initial strains, got Omicron and later strains. 

Thank God and/or Mother Nature that either the Omicron and subsequent variants were less lethal, or the vaccines caused enough of an immune response that the Omicron and later infections were much less severe, or both.  Jim

December 15, 2022 11:25 PM Forum: Politics

Trump ll OverTakes Trump1 In New Poll

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I'm no doctor, but I would consider a "therapeutic" to be a drug administered after infection,

semantic nit-picking

Semantics and nit picking?  

 I've heard at least 4 or 5 doctors now speak about it and they referred to the "vaccine" as just that a "therapeutic".

One an epidemiologist.  I'd suggest you take it up with them.

P.S. When those who want to control other groups of people so badly they'll actually change the 100+ year definition of what a vaccine is, in order to fit the narrative they want to push on society and the public that's shocking to me.

You're free to go along to get along.  I understand that's probably easier than questioning authority.  I'll choose the latter, thank you.  

Then again I'm not a gov't following sheep accepting any BS they want to shove down my throat or in my body.   smile
I'm curious Rich - how do you define vaccine?  Here is the traditional 100year old definition from Webster's:  A substance that stimulates an immune response...  (See below).  That is of course the definition I used yesterday.  Nothing has been changed.  You made that part up.  Will you admit that the covid vaccines do in fact stimulate an immune response?  

Of course you will not.  You are unable to admit that you are wrong and that these vaccines are vaccines under any traditional definition.

December 15, 2022 11:28 PM Forum: Politics

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Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis


How many deaths and long term health problems did the vaccines cause?  

Some, but that number is literally miniscule compared to the number of lives saved.  

December 15, 2022 11:30 PM Forum: Politics

Trump ll OverTakes Trump1 In New Poll

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis
Then again I'm not a gov't following sheep accepting any BS they want to shove down my throat or in my body.   smile
Then don't take the vaccine you ninny.  (We know you did of course).  The government is not forcing you to get vaccinated of course.  What a joke of an argument this one is.

December 16, 2022 01:22 AM Forum: Politics

Trump ll OverTakes Trump1 In New Poll

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

You stated:   

Thank you for regurgitating what you call the 100 year old definition (which is not). 

That is the NEW Webster definition.  Here is proof that it is their NEW definition:  

https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/webster-dictionary-changes-defenition-of-vaccine

I just proved you wrong in what you said above.  

Gosh you are wrong above, so will you admit it?? 

JB above:  "Of course you will not.  You are unable to admit that you are wrong"

So then I'll say to you:  

Of course you will not. You are unable to admit that you are wrong.   LOL  wink
I see, the old definition has been broadened to include a new technology.  i.e. any substance that promotes an immune response is now defined as a vaccine, (not just dead or living organics or parts).  This sort of definition broadening happens every day in view of new tech.  Would you also deny that an LED array packaged in an A-19 housing is in fact a "light bulb"?

The key here is that a vaccine is and always has been a substance administered in advance of infection to provoke an immune response.  This is true under the original and broadened definition, Right? 

Is your only argument that mRNA vaccines are not vaccines because they are new technology?  I had no idea you were so fearful of new tech.  

But, let's have it your way.  Do you deny or agree that mRNA compositions are administered before an infection to promote an immune response?

December 16, 2022 01:33 AM Forum: Politics

Trump ll OverTakes Trump1 In New Poll

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Any evidence to back that up?  Show me numbers because when you just spout "It is miniscule", then unless you  can show numbers to compare side by side, your statement is a guessing game at best.  

You have no idea whether the difference is miniscule.  

So what you are arguing is whatever pops into your head  smile
James posted good numbers from a scientific and respected source detailing the tens of millions who are alive, not hospitalized, and not infected because of the effectiveness of the covid vaccines.  I endorse those numbers.  It is up to you to make your counter argument, not me.  Post some peer-reviewed studies quantifying the number of patients who experienced bad outcomes, up to and including death as a result of the covid vaccines.  I know that such studies exist.  This is your rebuttal point, not mine.  Put up or shut up as they say.  (You won't reply, but what the hell).

If you were to reply with legitimate data, we could compare the numbers from James' scholarly source with whatever you find.  Do us a favor though, don't post an opinion piece.  I'd like to see your data from a scientifically literate source.  

Fat chance you'll defend your position with legit data, but hey, maybe you'll surprise us all.

December 16, 2022 01:43 AM Forum: Politics

Trump ll OverTakes Trump1 In New Poll

Posted By James Brown

Originally Posted by James Brown

I see, the old definition has been broadened to include a new technology.  i.e. any substance that promotes an immune response is now defined as a vaccine, (not just dead or living organics or parts).  This sort of definition broadening happens every day in view of new tech.  Would you also deny that an LED array packaged in an A-19 housing is in fact a "light bulb"?

The key here is that a vaccine is and always has been a substance administered in advance of infection to provoke an immune response.  This is true under the original and broadened definition, Right? 

Is your only argument that mRNA vaccines are not vaccines because they are new technology?  I had no idea you were so fearful of new tech.  

But, let's have it your way.  Do you deny or agree that mRNA compositions are administered before an infection to promote an immune response?
Just for grins, I checked.  I see that those nefarious bastards in the gubmint have been monkeying around with the 150 year old definition of "light bulb" too.   Are you a man or a sheep Rich!  Are you going to stand by while those leftist bastards redefine "lightbulb"?