Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Bullshit....He was charged twice. Congress voted not to convict either time.....Therefor saying he was impeached is NOT true.

Originally Posted by James Lacey

Nope. Impeachment is only the process of charging and trying the official. Honestly, I have no idea why you want to die on this hill. Anyone can look up the definition of impeachment as defined in the US. If it makes you feel better to think he was never impeached, a completely false assertion, then knock yourself out.

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

That would be correct. Clinton was not impeached.

Impeachment is a two stage process inclusive of both stages.

1st, The two-stage process begins in the House of Representatives with a public inquiry into *allegations*. It requires a majority vote in the house to get past this stage. If it passes in the house then articles of impeachment are drafted defining the specific charges which the Senate will then try the case on. 

2nd, the senate then holds a trial and if convicted by a 2/3 majority on those presented grounds then the impeachment stands. Without that 2/3 majority vote there is no impeachment. There were simply charges and an acquittal on those charges.....

So while it sounds good to Trump haters to call him impeached he was not.....he was simply charged, tried and acquitted same as Clinton...... 

Originally Posted by James Brown

Weird - this is not a thing where "opinions" matter.  There is a definition that is consistent with the Constitution and that is accepted by every constitutional scholar, up to and including Richard Davis.  He has posted detailing the constitutional two-step of impeachment by the House and any subsequent trial/removal by the Senate more than once.

Impeachment = charged by the House with a high crime or misdemeanor.  One who has been charged by the House with a high crime or misdemeanor has been impeached.  That is the end of the definition.  

This whole thread is like someone hypothetically arguing, that in their opinion, the objective of a Newtonian reflector telescope is a lens.  I suppose that could be their opinion, but as you know, it would be absolutely wrong.

No worries, I'm not going to beat this dead horse any longer.

Jim

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

The only thing the house votes on is whether to begin/commence impeachment proceedings or not. Only until after they vote to commence impeachment proceedings are the articles of impeachment formalized. The actual proceedings happen in the senate after the charges are finalized. Therefor unless the senate convicts on the charges made no impeachment occurred, only an impeachment proceeding was initiated. Seems pretty simple.....

But of course partisans want to claim otherwise whichever side they are on.....only after those charges are validated by the senate is someone actually impeached and of course suffers ANY consequences. 

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

No Rod....its based on a description of what each part of Congress's job is regarding impeachment. I laid it out in the message you responded to....

I will say it one more time and simpler for you: The house votes on ONE thing. Whether or not to start impeachment proceedings. That is ALL they vote on, that is all they are empowered to do. Those proceedings are not complete until the senate votes. It really is that simple. If the senate upholds the impeachment then they are impeached and the consequences ensue....ie removal from office and denied from running again. Actual impeachment has consequences. Just starting an impeachment process has NO consequences without senate confirmation. 

I am just amazed that the concept is so hard to grasp......Sure it sounds good to the opposing parties to say they were impeached simply because the process was implemented. In truth as I have said Clinton nor Trump were impeached, they were only charged and acquitted.

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Facts matter.....regardless of what the Constitution says, the process is as I laid out.....the house can only vote to start the impeachment process and only the senate can complete it.....Theory and practice are two different things...lol

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

LOL you are the one that said "An impeachment is DECIDED by the house." 

No it is not....The only decision involved in the house is whether to begin an eviction process by submitting it to the senate for a DECISION......

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Simple....I know simple things evade you. He was not removed from office so he was not impeached. LOL

It really doesnt get any simpler 

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

Congrats Jim...... The only one intelligent enough to figure it out

I was hoping someone would actually be convinced though.....lol