Posts Made By: Rod Kaufman

Originally Posted by James Lacey

What do you mean by large scale? From what I can tell, a large-scale clinical trial varies. It can have a few hundred participants up to tens of thousands. Phase 3 trials met those thresholds, and FDA gave its approval to Pfizer. That's it. Game over. And if 3.4 Bn shots are not large-scale enough for you, then you will likely never be satisfied. And as I've said before, the science and the history of vaccines tell us that adverse effects show up in the first few days or weeks. Not months or years later.

Precisely! 3.4Bn shots plus is larger than any clinical trial Greg his pinning his flippant argument on...

Originally Posted by Greg Shaffer

And the broken record is still broke, I expected no less lol..... So you are saying they might as well just stop the stage 4 trials as you have come to the conclusion its all good? Gee, maybe you should let them know they are not needed as you have determined it is plenty safe enough so they can stop wasting time and money......

At this point, given the number of vaccines that have been administered worldwide, you might as well stop stage 4. Here's stage 4 in a nutshell from the folks at pfizer:
"Even after medicines
are approved for use,
you can continue to
participate in long-term
clinical studies designed
to better understand the
risks and potential
benefits of the approved
medicine over time.
These clinical trials
are often called
“open-label studies."
So, Greg and his cohorts can continue to grasp at a straw for a reason not to take a vaccine which is not the same as a medicine one takes on an ongoing basis. As of today, 9-24-2021, there are 864 drugs and vaccines designed to treat covid 19 that are already in phase 4 trials:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1119072/coronavirus-drug-trials-by-phase-worldwide/
Put another way, "In a Phase IV trial – also known as a postmarketing surveillance trial or a confirmatory trial – the vaccine is monitored for safety, side effects and efficacy after it has been approved and made available to the public.
https://relief.unboundmedicine.com/relief/view/Coronavirus-Guidelines/2355056/all/Coronavirus_COVID_19_Vaccines
So, following Greg's "logic", one shouldn't take the vaccine even though it's been approved for use because it hasn't completed a "post-marketing trial". If that's the case then he and others like him that follow the same "logic" will never take the vaccine so if everybody believed the same thing Greg and his cohorts do, then nobody would take the vaccine and there wouldn't be a phase three trial, let alone a phase 4 trial...

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

There are a ton of armchair Doctors here, who know more than you and know more than the doctor who invented the mRNA vaccines.

His name is Doctor Robert Malone.

IF he were here on the forum, James Lacey, Brian McFarland, Jim Moscheck, Jim Brown and others would probably be attacking him as a moron who doesn't want to accept the science that they claim proves it is totally safe.

Remember also, that these guys are the experts and you don't know what you are talking when it comes to Natural Immunity vs. Vaccination Immunity.

They ALL know more than you than you do, and more than Dr. Malone Knows.  

Just an FYI for you Greg.  

https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qualified-mrna-expert-173600060.html

BTW, YOUTUBE, the foremost authorities in our new Totalitarian state of Big Tech, which censors any speech that goes against the Leftist Propaganda of the Biden Administration, CNN, or MSNBC, cancelled Dr. Robert Malone's warnings about possible side effects from the mRNA virus.

From the above article:

[O]ne of my concerns are that the government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I'm of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines," said Dr. Robert Malone during a Wednesday segment on Fox News's Tucker Carlson Tonight, saying YouTube deleted a video of him speaking about the associated risks.

"In any case, it’s clear enough that Malone isn’t singularly responsible for mRNA vaccines."
"Malone may keep company with vaccine skeptics, but he insists he is not one himself. His objections to the Pfizer and Moderna shots have to do mostly with their expedited approval process and with the government’s system for tracking adverse reactions. Speaking as a doctor, he would probably recommend their use only for those at highest risk from COVID-19. Everyone else should be wary, he told me, and those under 18 should be excluded entirely. (A June 23 statement from more than a dozen public-health organizations and agencies strongly encouraged all eligible people 12 and older to get vaccinated, because the benefits “far outweigh any harm.”)"
"And yet he does routinely slip into speculation that turns out to be misleading or, as in the segment on Bannon’s show, plainly false. For instance, he recently tweeted that, according to an unnamed “Israeli scientist,” Pfizer and the Israeli government have an agreement not to release information about adverse effects for 10 years, which is hard to believe given that the country’s health ministry has already warned of a link between the Pfizer shot and rare cases of myocarditis. Malone’s LinkedIn account has twice been suspended for supposedly spreading misinformation."
"Malone contracted COVID-19 in February 2020, and later got the Moderna vaccine in hopes that it would alleviate his long-haul symptoms. Now he believes the injections made his symptoms worse:"
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

I'm not the one telling people what to do. Neither is Greg. 

That would be YOU.  

YOU and the rest of the left are telling people to get the vaccine. You tell everyone to get the vaccine, when you know ZERO, NADA, NOTHING about their medical history.  

YOU are the one who is trying to shame people into getting the vaccine.  

YOU and the rest of the left, like all leftist Demagogues tell people that IF they DARE to have questions about the safety and the veracity of the Vaccine, they are Vaccine deniers.

So don't lay of your bullshit on me and Greg. 

NOT ONCE have I ever told people " you need to go get the vaccine".  Neither has Greg.

Yet, You sure have, so has the rest of the left here AND the RINOs here.

They've been playing Doctor as well, just as you have. 

This is of course the typical arrogance of the left, who as usual, think they know what is best for everyone else around them. 

Leftist/Marxist Democrats like yourself, are the ones who want to force YOUR will on the rest of society. 

Leftist/Marxist Democrats like yourself, are the ones who dismiss everyone else out of hand, just as you dismissed Dr. Malone as having virtually nothing to do with the mRNA vaccines. 

He doesn't agree with your iron fisted Dictates, which you and the rest of the left, want to foist upon the rest of the world therefore his credentials must necessarily be denigrated by Leftist/Marxist Democrats like yourself. 

I couldn't care less if they do or don't.  

YOU are the one playing Medical doctor here when you are at best, playing guessing games.    Greg and I are nothing like you clowns.  

No, it's isn't James or me or "the left" who told you to take your vaccine, Rich, it was your sister...

Originally Posted by Richard Davis

Its completely nauseating to me Greg, how they act anymore.  It is so out of the realm of any freedom of choice that you have, that they continue to berate and beat you down for making the choice you want to make.

IMO, it smacks of what the Leftists in this nation have become.

They are totalitarians who are on a power trip and want to foist their opinions of Everything in the realm of life itself on you and I.

They've decided that because they've done the tiniest bit of reading on the subject that now they are the experts.

And they are totally one sided as we've seen.  They decided that anyone that goes against their self-aggrandized expertise, then that person needs to be silenced, cancelled, belittled as a moron, and not as smart as all these armchair warriors on the left here.  

What page are we already on this thread, 12?  14? 

And the majority of this conversation is them berating everyone around them who disagrees with their choice that "you need to take it", and if you choose not to do so, you're either a) stupid or b) you're suddenly a vaccine denier. 

I'm personally sick to death of these losers.  

It is your choice.  If they have had the vaccine, they are safe, correct?

That's what these clowns have been telling us for the last year and a half, but now that's not enough, they are going to beat into submission into their mindset, and if you don't obey, they'll happily call the police on you to try and get you arrested.  

They are in a word, disgusting.  

"Its completely nauseating to me Greg, how they act anymore. "

That's how the anti maskers and anti vaccers are acting, not the rest who are doing the opposite.  It's the anti maskers and anti vaccers that are disgusting...

"a Michigan doctor penned a Facebook post earlier this month detailing the aggressive and combative responses he has faced"
"I’d rather die [than] take the vaccine," to which he responded in his post by writing, "You may get your wish."
"Trunsky said the wife of one patient who had died of COVID-19 told him, "I would never feel comfortable recommending the vaccine for family and friends."
"calling a woman to tell her that her brother had died, only for her to preempt his news by saying, "Look, my mother died, my father died, my brother died and I don’t want any bad news.”
From a comment section following the article: "Joe Biden played the Trumpers; Biden knew mandating vaccinations would actually make Trumpers refuse vaccinations MORE...and die. Trumpers are perfect worm food."
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/574000-michigan-doctor-says-some-patients-denying-covid-19-diagnosis-dismissing

Originally Posted by Jim Moscheck

Interesting they'd pull the ad, you know, since we know how much stuff like personal freedoms, liberty, and free speech means to Texans.

Oh, that's great!

"NO ROOM: Austin-area ICUs totally full despite drop in COVID-19 cases"
" We are not past this surge yet,” the City of Austin and Travis County warned in a joint statement Monday. Health officials explain that despite an encouraging downward trend in cases, hospital ICU capacities are completely full."
"The vast majority of these COVID patients are on ventilators, and approximately 90% of them are unvaccinated. Generally, patients who have been hospitalized during this surge are sicker and staying in the hospital longer.”
"Those who are hospitalized are also dying at higher rates than during previous surges, officials report. And only a third of hospitalized patients are over the age of 65."
https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/no-room-austin-area-icus-totally-full-despite-drop-in-covid-19-cases/

View the Lincoln Ad:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/573038-anti-greg-abbott-tv-ad-pulled-minutes-before-college-football-game

" Two GOP political operatives have been indicted for their involvement in a scheme to solicit an illegal campaign contribution from a Russian national in 2016."
One of 'em had been in trouble before:
"Former President Trump pardoned Benton in December after Benton was convicted of paying an Iowa state senator to change his endorsement before the state's caucus to then-Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who ran for president in 2012, according to the Des Moines Register." 
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/573114-gop-political-operatives-indicted-over-illegal-campaign-contribution-from